Isn't there a lot of controversy over his Nobel Prize "nomination"? It does not help our side to constantly repeat that line without qualification or explanation. It might be best to just drop it all together.

Posted by: Mark at June 19, 2005 8:23 PM

See I am now vindicated further for noting that the autopsy report has vindicated the opinions of both Dr. Hammesfahr and Dr. Maxfield.

Posted by: Maggie4life at June 19, 2005 9:43 PM

Maggie: Absolutely.

As I said recently, many of us had no anxiety about this autopsy report while it was pending, and we have no concern after its release: we have known all along the facts on which we stand.

It is just a terrible, crying shame Terri had to die to be vindicated.

Some have compared what happened in the Schiavo case to the Nazi attrocities. I am Jewish. I am telling you all, that with the deliberate misinformation campaign (propaganda), good Americans just "looking the other way," and then making outrageous excuses and false rationalizations for her death (The unconfirmed PVS... the now-debunked eating disorder... and the newly hyped arguments that "she was blind"), this is EXACTLY what happened during that terrible period in world history. Why did so many not learn?

I pray people will wake up this time, before it goes any further and it is too late for many others now threatened.

Posted by: Chana Meira at June 20, 2005 9:30 AM

Chana,

I am Jewish too. I am not so distressed by the goys disregard to this (just look at the religious history) but the jews.

Why do we as jews have Yizker for those who died in the concentration camps? Every jew should be outraged this happened. Our people didn't die for Terri to suffer in the same manner. We have lost our way if she did.

Posted by: Julie at June 20, 2005 10:06 PM

Mark, you're right, we should drop the 'Nobel Prize nominated' thing. While a Florida Congressman did nominate Dr. Hammesfahr for a Nobel Prize, this isn't 'official' enough for his critics, and it will do nothing but turn them off to what he has to say.

But now I don't know whether I want Dr. Hammesfahr to be right or wrong. If he's right, then Terri knew that she was being dehydrated to death.

Posted by: JWL at June 20, 2005 11:32 PM

While a Florida Congressman did nominate Dr. Hammesfahr for a Nobel Prize, this isn't 'official' enough for his critics

Actually, the problem is that it isn't 'official enough' for the Nobel Assembly. There is a strict list of who qualifies to nominate persons for this prize, and Mr. Bilirakis does not nor has not at any time met the qualifications to be a nominator. Therefore, in the eyes of the Nobel Assembly, Mr. Bilirakis's letter of "nomination" holds no more weight than if my dog managed to write the same letter.

Mark's point is a good one. We who are the defenders of life are taken to task for every word we say or write; shall we not, then, make sure that our words are always above reproach? As long as blogsforterri.com continues to repeat information without any sign of it having been checked for veracity, it will continue to do an injustice to the pro-Life movement by appearing amateurish and gullible.

Posted by: Becky at June 21, 2005 9:43 AM

On the other hand Becky, I would think that comparing a congressman's suggestion that Dr. Hammesfhar be considered as a nobel prize winner to a suggestion coming from your dog spot (or whatever your dog's name is) is quite a stretch in the opposite direction.

It would have been enough to say he is not on the nominating committee. You've gone way too far in the other direction.

I think it would be more accurate to say that due to this doctor's contributions in this particular field, a United States Congressman suggested to the nominating committee that he be considered for a nobel prize.

What's more one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist or a doctor to tell that Terri was probably only legally blind. She could follow that balloon with her eyes and she knew and responded to her mother's voice.

Posted by: gentledove at June 21, 2005 10:38 AM

Chana,

thank you for your excellent perspective and insight into this matter. I agree with you that people have forgotten what happened during the holocaust and they are even prepared to believe those who claim it never happened. That is when we head for the slippery slope and Terri is only one of the victims.

Shalom

Posted by: Maggie4life at June 21, 2005 10:06 PM

I'm glad Dr. Hammesfahr made the point about her brain's being "gone and replaced with fluid." How often did we hear that claim before she was killed? And now, do we hear anyone in the MSM pointing out that it was plain false? No, of course not. So they weighed her brain and claim it was less than half of the expected weight. So what? If the entire cerebral cortex--or even the vast majority of it, were "gone and replaced with fluid," as we had hammered home before her death, it would have been nearly pointless to mention this matter of _weight_. They would have said, "Nearly the entire upper cortex was gone." It was just a lie. In fact, the autopsy clearly refutes it. But instead we hear that the autopsy "vindicates" her husband and should "shame" those who fought for her life. It is beyond me how people can be so evil.

Posted by: Lydia at June 22, 2005 2:47 PM

"I'm glad Dr. Hammesfahr made the point about her brain's being "gone and replaced with fluid." How often did we hear that claim before she was killed? And now, do we hear anyone in the MSM pointing out that it was plain false?"

No... because it's plain TRUE. Read the autopsy report. Page 13. Right there in black and white. "A total of 645 milliliters of cerebrospinal fluid upon opening the skull and exposing the brain."

Posted by: Shmoykins at June 22, 2005 3:41 PM

However your interpretation of what is written there and compared to what was previously said in the MSM is what is in error.

Terri's cerebral cortex was intact. It was not gone. The fluid that was discovered is proof of another condition that could have been remedied by the use of a shunt. We know that condition as fluid on the brain.

Dr. Tom from Code Blue Blogs is correct when he says that if they do not do further examinations and check for fluid on the brain then whoever pulls the plug on Terri could be facing murder charges. I agree wholeheartedly with Tom's assessment of Terri's condition. He was correct when he said that her brain was not all that bad.

With regard to the weight of Terri's brain and the comparison that has been made to Karen Quinlan I have to say that it is a bad comparison because Karen was not dehydrated to death after she was removed from the ventilator. Her parents refused to allow the hospital staff to withdraw her nutrition and hydration. Terri's brain was affected by the dehydration and therefore the comparison is not a good one. It needs to be compared to Nancy Cruzan who was starved and dehydrated to death and then see about the difference. Of course Nancy would have had more brain cell weight because she was healthier than Terri.

The MSM have misrepresented the content of the autopsy report. There is a lot there that they have not reported. How many MSM reporters for instance have bothered to detail what was stated about Terri's condition or rather appearance due to the dehydration. The manner in which it is detailed presents a picture that is far from indicating a woman who is serene and beautiful as she approaches death. Yet that is how the ghoul Felos described Terri's condition.

Why is it that the MSM have not noted that the M.E. definitely ruled out bulimia as well as heart attack as the cause of Terri's collapse. Instead they concentrated upon what was said about the missing signs for strangulation. They do not seem to understand that over 60 per cent of cases involving attempted strangulation go under reported because of the lack of signs.

If MS used the policeman's hold then there would not be any outward signs.

Terri had a very stiff neck when she was admitted to hospital. Looking closely at the M.E. report it is noted that she had atrophy on one side of her neck (that was remarkable). This indicates to me that Terri received soft tissue injury to her neck when she collapsed and required medical attention. As one who has had a torn neck muscle I can attest to the stiffness as well as all of the other problems. My original injury is mild in comparison to what must have happened to Terri on that morning. Soft tissue injuries do not go away. Some of the arthritic deterioration and muscle atrophy that was observed could have come about because of previous soft tissue injury. I would think that Terri had suffered repeated injury to her knees that did not show up as bruising. In fact it is very rare for bruises to appear when one hurts one's knees. I should know because I have fallen on different surfaces and hurt my knees a lot of times, and I rarely get a bruise, but there is evidence of swelling and bruising. Such injuries would not be investigated unless there was cause for concern. Terri had sore knees from the time she first entered hospital. I do not think that the sore knees were the result of her medication as suggested in her hospital report. The condition of H.O. that was observed is an indication of the soft tissue injury that she suffered in the past. So Dr. Walker was correct when he said she had a history of trauma. He knows what the scan tells him. Unless someone else is looking at the scan and not the report there is no way that one can accept what comes out of the ghoul's camp.

With regard to the time line between when it happened and when 911 was called. If the time line is correct and there is something like an hour before help was called, then it is possible that Michael had enough time to tidy up the place so that it looked like there were no signs of a struggle.

Why did Michael say that he shook Terri? If he had some training as a restaurant manager he should know that shaking an unconscious person is not what should be done. This "shaking" could have added to the soft tissue injury.

Posted by: Maggie4life at June 22, 2005 10:16 PM

Handing Maggie a towel, wiping the brows, and passing the bottle of water.

GO GIRL!!!

Posted by: LNaranjoiv at June 24, 2005 2:45 PM