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May 3, 2005

UK's Healthcare Setup Partly Blamed in 'Baby Charlotte' Saga

Topics: International

Dr. David Stevens with the Christian Medical & Dental Associations says although euthanasia is illegal in Britain, that does not change the control doctors are given. He explains that England has a national health service that provides free healthcare to British citizens. Essentially, he says, that results in a "single-party payer" of medical costs.

"In other words, the government's paying all the bills and dictates all the policies, which makes it quite different than here in the U.S.," Stevens says. "In the U.S., if a doctor was taking care of a patient and thought that some intervention was futile and should not be continued but the family disagreed, you could always transfer the care to another physician or another hospital."

The question, says Stevens, is whether physicians can override the wishes of the parents. "In England that is possible," he explains, "and increasingly in this country we're seeing that concern rise because a lot of things increasingly are being defined as 'futile care.'"

More from Agape Press, HT: purple_kangaroo

Posted by tim at May 3, 2005 12:12 AM


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A week ago yesterday I made a decision. jThe Blogs were moving more slowly, and yet there was a person needing help on our radar screen. A baby. I had commented about her, about the situation. Wanted to find a doctor, sent our feelers. Then, I started receiving responses. In my email-box. People with ideas on whom to contact for a doctor for this precious baby, in need. Charlotte Wyatt.

I knew we have been working to help several who had reached out to us as a group here for help. But I thought - could I dedicate myself to push for just one, to do my part? Charlotte was who I had been commenting about and thinking about for a few days already by then, and God had provided that I was already into helping her and getting deeper, so my natural choice was to stay with what I had started, and I decided to try and focus all the energy I had on helping Charlotte.

It was only a week ago. But it feels like it was a year ago. Since I have been visiting here, since I found out about Terri, and before she passed away - until today - has seemed like an eternity. Someone said something the other day about something that happened in January, as if that was just a short time ago. Someone not in touch with having prayed for, fasted for, worried for Terri or her life or the whole situation of euthanasia's quick increase in both means and ways. Now usually, I'd agree. Time seems to go so fast. But this time, I just thought "January?"....and had to think a moment to even remember what they were talking about. Then, I remembered and it felt like a dozen years had gone by, since then. It was amazing. It was like time has almost been standing still...time...time, which would have meant the world to Terri if she had had just a little more; time...to tell Terri's story, time...enough to save young Teron, or Knya....time, which we had to take full advantage of in helping Mae. Time.

It seemed as if time had only just begun, with Terri. Or perhaps that is how it is, with trauma, shock, horror and pain. Time freezes in an instant, locking in that traumatic event as if it were bigger, longer, vaster than all the happenings around it.

So, here I am a week from my decision to help Charlotte, and it feels as if it has been a year. And it must seem like that to you too, who have been waiting and wondering to hear what happened after I wrote the terrific news of having gotten in contact with actual doctors, who said that they wanted to help Charlotte in her plight.

I realize that some reading this, may not even have been aware that I was searching for a doctor, or may not have seen my few comments about it. But I know that there are a few, who have been waiting and wondering...."what happened?"

And that is because time has taken such a turn towards days being like weeks for us, for over a month now. Yes, over a month, because Terri passed away on March 31, 2005, and now it is May the 5th.....

And it is to those of you who are wondering about me and about what I posted, that I owe some accountability. Please understand that I have wanted to post every day here, since a week ago, but until to day I was too exhausted and also busy. But I have quite a bit to report, and I am gonig to do it. Just on Charlotte, now, becasue she is the one I dedicated to, when I said, "what would happen if I focus and dedicate my energies to at least trying to help just one?" And it is she on whom I need to report.

Just a week ago....but it has seemed a year. And I am now back, ready to report. I will post my first report in the next post.

Love to all of you, who stand for life and truly care about those who are in need of help for their life! You are an amazing buch of people, and I am so, so priviledged and humbled to know each and every one of you.

Posted by: juleni at May 5, 2005 12:38 PM

Over the past week and a half, the editor of the Olive Branch Press (www.theolivebranchpress.org) and I have contacted several doctors in an attempt to get help for Charlotte. There have been ups and downs, that I want to share with you later, but have no time right now: suffice it to say, the editor of Olive Branch Press (OBP) has made contact with a prolife British doctor willing to help Charlotte! This is good news!!


THIS IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR HELP, WITH PRAYER!

The doctor has told us that the hospital that Charlotte is in must first give PERMISSION for a second opinion to be allowed...can you imagine that? As a result the OBP editor has a call in, overseas, to a British legal expert who works alongside the prolife doctors. We are waiting for this legal expert's response (a woman). PLEASE, PLEASE PRAY that she responds as soon as possible, and that God will guide her as she reviews all the legal considerations in our getting a good, life asserting doctor to give an evaluation or second opinion on Charlotte!

Here is why this is so crucial:

THE FOLLOWING IS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH FROM THE STATEMENTS IN THE COURT DOCUMENTS FROM THIS PAST OCTOBER:

"On the basis of the unanimous medical evidence in this case, the issue in all probability is not whether this baby should live or die but how and when she should die. Charlotte has chronic respiratory and kidney problems coupled with the most profound brain damage that has left her blind, deaf and incapable of voluntary movement or response. It is very highly probable that she will during this winter succumb to a respiratory infection that will prove fatal. That said the unanimous medical evidence also recognises that in this area there is no such thing as certainty of prognosis of survival. "


That first sentence....."not whether this baby should live or die but how and when she should die". Does that not sound just like Judge Greer's pronouncement on Terri, "the (judgement) is that she will die" - or words like that?

Also the whole pronouncement about Charlotte seems so silly now, from this perspective of months later, because she has obviously not gone the way they 'predicted' at all, and is obviously not what they said back then. She sees, hears, responds, smiles, is growing constantly, plays, and is just getting better and better - just like most newbies.

It would seem just something that they said back then, that could be ignored now, except that.....it almost sounds to me like a death sentence. I could just say, oh, well, that was back then, in October, and they just didn't know and look how far she has come now, so they must see that and believe differently now, if it weren't for one thing....

They are not acting like all of her growth, response, thriving, matters at all....

Case in point, today's news, from Joshua of the Friends for Charlotte (by email). (The SaveCharlotte.com website.)....this, DESPITE THE FACT that Charlotte twice the other day was successfully and happily out of her oxygen box for a while, on just a nasal cannula for oxygen and is now only needing 45% oxygen on a continual basis, freeing her up almost to the point that she could go home (she can go home when she is on a nasal cannula, and low % of oxygen need.....and she has already come down from 100% oxygen to only 45% oxygen in just these few months...):


"We found out today that the hospital has decided (no explanation) to
stop giving Charlotte time on the nasal prongs (cannula). She seemed to be doing
so well on them, and be getting ready for coming home, so this was a
great discouragement to us.

Please pray that Charlotte would soon get so well and strong it would
be evident even to those who most don't want to see it. And pray for
us, that we would know how to deal with the hospital. Pray especially
for Darren & Debbie, that they would be encouraged and have strength
to go on.:

___________________________
>From the www.savecharlotte.com website:

"Two steps forward, one step back

Charlotte is continuing to get stronger, but today there was another
set-back from the hospital. Though she spends most of the time in her
oxygen box, she had been slowly introduced to nasel cannula for the
past few weeks; going up to two hours a day, split up into two
sessions.

Darren and Debbie loved this new advancement-- she was more alert when
she was on them, and certainly easier to hold and stimulate. But today
they found out the nasal prong machine had been removed, and on
inquiring, that the hospital had decided to stop giving her time on it.
No reason was given, simply "it hadn't been a success".

But why not a success? She did so well on them!

They may mean well, but right now it is difficult to be anything like
certain.
If the hospital believes your baby does not deserve to live, will that
affect their decision making?

When will there be any accountablity?"
________________________________
And from Hannah, of the www.savecharlotte.com website:

"On the positive side, she is doing really well-- in spite of them! and getting stronger. She had her measurements taken yesturday, and she has been gaining a little weight and growing longer.

Pray especially for Darren and Debbie today, because it meant alot to them to have her allowed out of her box and with the nasal cannula..."


So, there are a few prayer requests, here.

1. for Debbie and Darren, Charlotte's parents, to be encouraged and to have strength for the continued fight for their daughter.

2.that Charlotte would soon get so well and strong it would
be evident even to those who most don't want to see it.

3.for Joshua, Hannah, Debbie Darren, the editor of OBP, the legal expert in Britain, the doctor in Britain who is willing to help, that they all may know and have discernment from God as to how to deal with the hospital, in regards to getting that second opinion evaluation done, and as to the hospital withholding the medical records from Charlotte's parents, as they are doing (possibly illegally?....see the savecharlotte.com website's comments for a comment from a British subject regarding this..)

4. for this stronghold of the enemy to be torn down by God, in satan's wanting to take little Charlotte's life.

Finally, if you would be willing, could some people please start writing to the British press contacts which RottyPup gave us last week?? A little spotlighting might be of help to let the hospital be aware that their actions are being watched in regards to Charlotte.

PLEASE PRAY!!!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH....

Posted by: juleni at May 7, 2005 2:19 PM

Over the past week and a half, the editor of the Olive Branch Press (www.theolivebranchpress.org) and I have contacted several doctors in an attempt to get help for Charlotte. There have been ups and downs, that I want to share with you later, but have no time right now: suffice it to say, the editor of Olive Branch Press (OBP) has made contact with a prolife British doctor willing to help Charlotte! This is good news!!


THIS IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR HELP, WITH PRAYER!

The doctor has told us that the hospital that Charlotte is in must first give PERMISSION for a second opinion to be allowed...can you imagine that? As a result the OBP editor has a call in, overseas, to a British legal expert who works alongside the prolife doctors. We are waiting for this legal expert's response (a woman). PLEASE, PLEASE PRAY that she responds as soon as possible, and that God will guide her as she reviews all the legal considerations in our getting a good, life asserting doctor to give an evaluation or second opinion on Charlotte!

Here is why this is so crucial:

THE FOLLOWING IS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH FROM THE STATEMENTS IN THE COURT DOCUMENTS FROM THIS PAST OCTOBER:

"On the basis of the unanimous medical evidence in this case, the issue in all probability is not whether this baby should live or die but how and when she should die. Charlotte has chronic respiratory and kidney problems coupled with the most profound brain damage that has left her blind, deaf and incapable of voluntary movement or response. It is very highly probable that she will during this winter succumb to a respiratory infection that will prove fatal. That said the unanimous medical evidence also recognises that in this area there is no such thing as certainty of prognosis of survival. "


That first sentence....."not whether this baby should live or die but how and when she should die". Does that not sound just like Judge Greer's pronouncement on Terri, "the (judgement) is that she will die" - or words like that?

Also the whole pronouncement about Charlotte seems so silly now, from this perspective of months later, because she has obviously not gone the way they 'predicted' at all, and is obviously not what they said back then. She sees, hears, responds, smiles, is growing constantly, plays, and is just getting better and better - just like most newbies.

It would seem just something that they said back then, that could be ignored now, except that.....it almost sounds to me like a death sentence. I could just say, oh, well, that was back then, in October, and they just didn't know and look how far she has come now, so they must see that and believe differently now, if it weren't for one thing....

They are not acting like all of her growth, response, thriving, matters at all....

Case in point, today's news, from Joshua of the Friends for Charlotte (by email). (The SaveCharlotte.com website.)....this, DESPITE THE FACT that Charlotte twice the other day was successfully and happily out of her oxygen box for a while, on just a nasal cannula for oxygen and is now only needing 45% oxygen on a continual basis, freeing her up almost to the point that she could go home (she can go home when she is on a nasal cannula, and low % of oxygen need.....and she has already come down from 100% oxygen to only 45% oxygen in just these few months...):


"We found out today that the hospital has decided (no explanation) to
stop giving Charlotte time on the nasal prongs (cannula). She seemed to be doing
so well on them, and be getting ready for coming home, so this was a
great discouragement to us.

Please pray that Charlotte would soon get so well and strong it would
be evident even to those who most don't want to see it. And pray for
us, that we would know how to deal with the hospital. Pray especially
for Darren & Debbie, that they would be encouraged and have strength
to go on.:

___________________________
>From the www.savecharlotte.com website:

"Two steps forward, one step back

Charlotte is continuing to get stronger, but today there was another
set-back from the hospital. Though she spends most of the time in her
oxygen box, she had been slowly introduced to nasel cannula for the
past few weeks; going up to two hours a day, split up into two
sessions.

Darren and Debbie loved this new advancement-- she was more alert when
she was on them, and certainly easier to hold and stimulate. But today
they found out the nasal prong machine had been removed, and on
inquiring, that the hospital had decided to stop giving her time on it.
No reason was given, simply "it hadn't been a success".

But why not a success? She did so well on them!

They may mean well, but right now it is difficult to be anything like
certain.
If the hospital believes your baby does not deserve to live, will that
affect their decision making?

When will there be any accountablity?"
________________________________
And from Hannah, of the www.savecharlotte.com website:

"On the positive side, she is doing really well-- in spite of them! and getting stronger. She had her measurements taken yesturday, and she has been gaining a little weight and growing longer.

Pray especially for Darren and Debbie today, because it meant alot to them to have her allowed out of her box and with the nasal cannula..."


So, there are a few prayer requests, here.

1. for Debbie and Darren, Charlotte's parents, to be encouraged and to have strength for the continued fight for their daughter.

2.that Charlotte would soon get so well and strong it would
be evident even to those who most don't want to see it.

3.for Joshua, Hannah, Debbie Darren, the editor of OBP, the legal expert in Britain, the doctor in Britain who is willing to help, that they all may know and have discernment from God as to how to deal with the hospital, in regards to getting that second opinion evaluation done, and as to the hospital withholding the medical records from Charlotte's parents, as they are doing (possibly illegally?....see the savecharlotte.com website's comments for a comment from a British subject regarding this..)

4. for this stronghold of the enemy to be torn down by God, in satan's wanting to take little Charlotte's life.

Finally, if you would be willing, could some people please start writing to the British press contacts which RottyPup gave us last week?? A little spotlighting might be of help to let the hospital be aware that their actions are being watched in regards to Charlotte.

PLEASE PRAY!!!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH....

Posted by: juleni at May 7, 2005 2:20 PM

Sorry for the double post..

Posted by: juleni at May 7, 2005 2:21 PM