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April 10, 2005

Mae Magouirk Update - The Contrarian Edition Version 2

As a recap of our most recent previous post, per our telephone conversation with Judge Boyd this morning, Judge Boyd agreed with our version of his order and with our comments regarding the difference between nursing home care and hospice care. Judge Boyd seems to believe that things fell apart between the families AFTER they left his courtroom and that Beth may have acted upon information from her grandmother's doctors - that the two doctors in LaGrange must have told Beth that Mae should go into the hospice - else Beth could not have put Mae in the hospice. Judge Boyd had been left originally with the impression that Mae would be placed in a nursing home, hence the lanquage in his formal letter attached to the order that mentioned "nursing home." As to the issue of feeding and hydration, Judge Boyd said that it was testified in his court that Mae "was" getting nutrition and hydration. As to whether or not it was adequate, that may be the issue(my comment not Judge Boyd's, but on this Judge Boyd did agree).

Additionally, Judge Boyd has agreed to provide BlogsForTerri with his views and opinions in the matter(not legal opinions but his personal opinions) on Monday. We have promised to post them on BlogsForTerri, Hyscience, ProLifeBlogs, and at the discretion of all other bloggers of the BlogsForTerri team.

In a separate telephone conversation with Judge Boyd only minutes ago, BlogsForTerri has offered to post a letter from Beth Gaddy explaining her side of the story. This offer is being conveyed through Judge Boyd, who has agreed to advise Beth of the opportunity to let her side be known.

Also, as per our most recent previous post, it continues to appear that after the families left Judge Boyd's courtroom, Beth may have acted upon information from her grandmother's doctors - that the two doctors in LaGrange must have told Beth that Mae should go into the hospice - and that Beth, following the doctor's advice, placed Mae in the hospice. Further, convinced by the doctors that she was doing the right thing, she then made the statement, "Grandmama is old and I think it is time she went home to Jesus. She has glaucoma and now this heart problem, and who would want to live with disabilities like these?" The fact that Mae is not at the hospice now clearly indicates that all three doctors, two in LaGrange and one at UAB Medical Center, concurred that Mae should be further evaluated to see if a course of action could be followed to give her a chance at a quality of life - BEFORE and INSTEAD OF being in a hospice to die(since there is only one legal reason to be put in a hospice).

As yet a further attempt to sort through the maze of two sides of a families frustrations, we contacted Ken Mullinax to respond to a list of questions related to possible conflicts between his version of the problem and that of others in the family and Judge Boyd. Here is his response:

To: BlogsForTerri
From: Ken Mullinax

Thanks for providing me the opportunity to address the following:

1. The world class cardiologist is Dr. Raed Aqel, M.D. who is at UAB's Kirkland Clinic. Dr Aqel is now my Aunt's Attending Physician at UAB and is seeing my Mom at UAB hospital as her cardiologist.

2.Two weeks-nourishment: That date comes from the fact that Mae was put in the Hospital on around March 13 and was immediately in such pain that Morphine was administered and thus she could not feed her self and thus obtained no substantial nourishment. She was admitted to Hospice on March 22 and from that point on, she only took in ice chips and jello on a sporadic basis and limited water via a syringe when if they ascertained she was unable or unwilling to take ensure or fluids orally, they should have proactively, in my opinion and according to the provisions of her living will, be administered such via an IV and nasal feeding tube.

3. Regardless of Judge Boyd says, Mae was denied nourishment and water because she was not lucid from the drugs and her lack of lucidity which only occurred AFTER ADMISSION TO THE HOSPICE AND therefore could not request them OR IMBIBE THEM on her own volition.

4.The food, Boyd said she took at Hospice, is not what we call great
nourishment...small amounts of ice chips and a few spoonfuls of jello. I would like to see anyone would feel on a daily diet of a half small bowl of orange jello, one cup of ice chips and maybe 100cc's of water administered via syringe, when someone got around to giving it to her. Anyone's electrolyte level, lucidity and cognitive abilities be effected at this point?

5. The fact that Mae is not at Hospice now shows that all three doctors, two in LaGrange and one at UAB, concurred that Mae should be further evaluated to see if a course of action could be followed to give her a chance at a quality of life. Judge Boyd will substantiate the fact that an independent neurologist did in fact examine Mae on either Thursday or Friday of this week and determined that her vitals showed that her brain was still functioning, that her neurological activity, swallowing functions, eyes and other vitals were still functioning. Dr. Aqel suggested this to DR.'s Gore and Brennan and
they concurred and thus, a neurologist evaluated Mae. There report was subsequently submitted to Judge Boyd. Dr. Aqel said that the neurological exam greatly aided all three doctors in determining that Mae was a viable candidate for further proactive medical treatment and/or evaluation.

6. Dr. Aqel, who is my Mom's cardiologist for the last few years, and also my Uncle Buddy McLeod's cardiologist (all three siblings, Mae, Lonnie Ruth, Buddy - ALL suffer from aortic dissections and problems) and now my Aunt Mae's attending Physician at UAB (Dr. Aqel) told me and my brother Jon yesterday that Mae is SO DEHYDRATED after her stay at Hospice LaGrange, that it will take at least two days of intense hydration therapy to get her back to a level that is acceptable to him.

7. Carol Todd (Hospice in house lawyer) called my Mom on March 31 and told her and I (on the phone) what was going on. A Hospice nurse was also on the phone when Carol Todd called and tried to dissuade my Mom from requesting either an IV for fluids and/or a feeding tube for substantial nourishment. After Mom listened to them, as the closet living next of kin (after it was discovered that Hospice had wrongly assumed that Beth Gaddy's power of attorney was a medical-durable P.O.A. when in fact from Mae's hospitalization date until March 31, Beth did not have such power and only held a financial P.O.A./and the fact that they also did not closely examine my Aunt's Living Will, specifically the covenants which state "nourishment/fluids shall BE DENIED ONLY IF I am comatose or vegetative"), my Mom ordered Hospice, via Carol Todd to begin hydration via an IV post haste and requested a feeding tube. Ms. Todd said they could do an IV that evening, once they passed Mom's request on to a Doctor who would order such "and one did and an IV was inserted that evening" but Todd told us we would have to show up at Hospice and sign papers to get a feeding tube inserted in her nose and if we did so, Hospice would no longer consider her as a viable candidate for Hospice.

We told Todd great, because we never considered Mae as someone who should be in Hospice since she was never said to be terminal. Well, someone notified Beth Gaddy Thursday that we were coming over the next day, Friday, April 1, to sign Mae's papers for a feeding tube and to move her to UAB- because when we showed up Friday at Hospice, they stalled us from moving her "a Hospice head nurse did) and when we were fed up with her trying to persuade us of all the reasons we should let go of Mae and allow her to die at Hospice and told her and even had Dr. Aqel call her so as to begin the process of emergency air transport to UAB medical center, then and only then did Carol
Todd, Hospice's lawyer, arrive and served us with the court papers Beth Gaddy obtained via Judge Boyd which superseded by Mom and Uncle Buddy, who are Mae's closest living next of kin-and thus had herself appointed as the temporary Guardian who therefore could and did make the medical decision to both keep Mae in Hospice and pull out her IV tube for fluids and reversed our decision to insert a nasal feeding tube....the horror thus began for us.

8. Our attorney Jack Kirby proposed a compromise settlement (and he was smart doing so because it now has Mae out of Hospice and in a real world class medical facility) on our behalf Monday, April 4, when we realized, via his negative actions toward our agruments before him in open court on April 2, 2005, that Judge Boyd was going to rule for Beth and against our petition for guardianship...(one such instance was Boyd denying our attorney, Jack Kirby from cross examining Dr. Stout-Mae's attending physician -from answering his question of whether Stout would agree that there are different
courses of treatment for a dissected aorta other than surgery..."this
argument was used by Beth and Stout..

10. They stated rightly that Mae was not a candidate for surgery, that is true, however neither was my Mom, Mae's sister who has a similar aortic condition - the whole reason we have Dr. Aqel involved is that he treated Mae's sister, my mom, Lonnie Ruth......WITHOUT surgery for a dissected aorta, successfully, with treatment and drugs when Mom's aorta dissected on October 12, 2002 and when the same problem occurred on October 12, 2003 and UAB's doctors are AGAIN treating my Mom for another dissection which occurred this past Thursday evening on April 7, 2005...matter of fact, Mom is doing so well (the dissection now has occurred in her Iliac artery(It's the artery which shoots off the aorta from the groin to either leg), that she has now been moved from CICU "Cardiac Intensive Care Unit" at UAB to a private room. Dr. Aqel is also acting, as always, as my Mom's cardiologist and as Mae's attending. Mae is now just one floor above my Mom's hospital room.

Note: Dr. Stout, Mae's attending Dr. in LaGrange, said in so many words that he would ignore Mae's Living Will since he felt her quality of life and outlook for recovery was grim at best. However, it seems that the panel of three doctors thought there must be a chance because they reported back to Judge Boyd, according to the settlement our lawyer, Jack Kirby crafted and wrote for the court, and Mae is now in UAB Medical Center.

10. In Judge Boyd's court decree order(Civil Action, Estate 138-05, dated April, 2005) it states:

"The guardian shall see that Dr. Brennan, Dr. Gore, Dr. Aqel evaluate/and or examine the ward (Mae Magouirk) for the purpose of determining whether any medical treatment should be pursued for her aortic aneurism. If at least two of the three doctors agree that there is a viable course of treatment for the aortic aneurism, then, in that event, the petitioner(Beth Gaddy) shall follow the recommendation of the doctors who agree to such a course of treatment, including the location and manner of treatment to be provided."

11. So by Mae being at UAB Medical Center that fact alone supports our contention that Mae DID NOT BELONG IN HOSPICE....was not terminal or comatose or vegetative and the three doctors agree that a course of treatment SHOULD BE PURSUED.

In closing, that is all Mae's Alabama family seeks...if the Doctors treat her and her lucidity is not reinstated, then we would be fine with her being in a nursing home...or she is welcome in either our home or Uncle Buddy McLeod's home...matter of fact, why not sitters in her home?

WE are comfortable with Mae being ANYWHERE BUT HOSPICE as long as she is not terminal and as long as she proactively receive the proper nutrition she must have, either orally or via a tube and/or IV.

Note, we Mullinax's are not adverse to Hospice when it is used properly for the purpose in which it was created. I left my career in Washington, DC to come back home to Alabama and help my dad
Ken, Sr. die at home with Hospice from 200 until July 10, 2002. In 1990, we obtained Hospice to help my grandmother, Mae's mom, Ora Ethel McLeod, die at home with Hospice. Additionally in 1994, my dad's brother Lynn Mullinax, left his home in NYC and moved in with my Mom and Dad so he wouldn't die alone and we used Hospice at our home for uncle Lynn....however, the major difference between my Aunt Mae Magouirk and the three cases of Hospice with my Grandmother,Dad and Uncle Lynn is that ALL THREE OF THEM WERE TERMINAL!

And even though they were terminal and some were very infirm, we ALWAYS SAW THEY HAD A GOOD INTAKE OF SUBSTANTIAL NOURISHMENT AND FLUIDS.

Aunt Mae is not terminal as evidenced by the panel of 3 doctors who have moved her to UAB medical center. She was never comatose or vegetative and her Living Will has never fully been honored.

ALL WE ASK IS THAT SHE RECEIVES THE BEST MEDICAL TREATMENT AVAILABLE...AND THAT IF SHE IS NOT ABLE TO DO SO HERSELF WITHOUT DIFFICULTY, THAT THE MEDICAL PERSONAL PROACTIVELY INSURE SHE IMBIBES the proper amount of daily minerals, vitamins and NOURISHMENT / FLUID - substantial meaning either adequately balanced meals or enough ensure, fluids or if she is unable or unwilling to take orally, IV fluids and a nasal feeding tube to make sure she has the proper nutrients, vitamins and minerals to allow her to remain alive.

Be it at home, in a hospital or a nursing home or in one of our homes...she needs help and thank the good Lord she is finally receiving it via Doctor Aqel at UAB.

Kenneth Mullinax

Posted by richard at April 10, 2005 12:12 PM

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That is great news to hear! Praise the Lord too!

Posted by: hiddennook [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 10, 2005 02:50 PM

Amen and amen, Hiddennook. Thank you, thank you, thank you Richard for posting this, and posting Ken's letter to us! It explains it so well. Thank you God for helping us help Mae. I am so relieved for her.

Posted by: juleni [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 10, 2005 03:41 PM

Concerning future cases (and Straight up with Sherri has a new article on the occurrence of withholding nutrituion, en masse at hospital/hospice today),

Mary, et. al. who posts here, had some first ideas of action items for us to consider, and I would like to post them here. FROM MARY(a couple of days ago - she is not available today to post this today):

What if...

Mae had appointed a guardian ad lidem group of doctors and clergy to protect her? What if that group had teeth, in the form of a crack team of attorneys expert in these matters? (along the lines of the ACLU). What if the doctors in this group monitored the care she was being given and the attorneys in this group routinely prosecuted anyone who did anything detrimental to Mae or the others who had appointed them.

What if...these people weren't so very under protected by the rest of the sheep, but had a sheep dog to protect her? What if, by appointing this group as her guardian, Mae had placed herself in a shelter, BEFORE all this began, a shelter with the power to make the wolves take notice and back off?

When Terri died I knew they would become ever more brazen. With Mae we are watching their arrogance balloon outrageously. They no longer bother with any pretense or artifice. I am praying for a sheep dog for Mae, but I don't know who it would be outside of God, because we haven't gotten around calling this "dog" into existence yet.

HERE'S WHAT TO DO:

1. Contact pro-life doctors and clergy in your area, and ask them if they would be a part of a guardian ad litem group. Explain the concept to them and if they are truly pro life, I think they will go for it. I also think there should be three doctors to a group if possible.

2. Start a prayer warriors group in your area and commit to praying for anyone caught in (this) hell, and for the healing and deliverance of those who are guilty of this.

3. Get the word out about this group. Really we need a central group that gets info printed up about all this, so people can go to Walmart and other high traffic areas to hand them out. It should contain the truth about the euthanasia movement, the living will, and this alternative group, etc.

4. AND, for those who for any reason don't have such a group to protect them, let us at least provide a jury of 12. First we must find out why this is being done without a jury, then apply the proper rememdy, even if it means having congress make a new law. That shouldn't have to be the case, but if it is, then find a congress person to sponsor the bill and rag all legislative people to support it. And get it passed fast.

(END OF MARY'S QUOTE)

Someone responded to her: "...an awesome plan - a group that...people could appoint as their guardians before they ever got sick - that really makes so much sense..."


MY COMMENT:
I do know that there is corruption among doctors/the medical ethics taught today/ and even some clergy (Terri Schiavo's bishop for example). And the ACLU may not have such crack lawyers themselves, but as a grassroots plan of action, does the above not have merit - to find those with education and/or licensing and some experience, who are doctors and clergy and in law practice who could be called on for such a thing as this?

Posted by: juleni [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 10, 2005 04:04 PM

OHHHHH thank you juleni, now EVERYONE,now that Mae is safe, and before tomorrow comes and there is another one we have to do something permanent. I think Marys plan is the best that has been offered so far. I spent Friday night working on this plan trying to contact organizations that might know prolife lawyers-I have not heard anything back yet, but that would be because it is the weekend. I did hear back from Focus on the Family and expect to hear back on my latest comment. However, I pro-life is pro-life in my opinion and I do not care what religion they are so if you know of any, or you are one, can you start getting that information together and contacting those people or give me the information and I will contact them-I don't mind that. The same goes for doctors.

Posted by: alwayschooselife [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 10, 2005 05:32 PM

I think we were all under the impression that Mae had a feeding tube that had been pulled, in fact, in the Glenn Beck radio interview, he asked Ken why Mae's tube was not put BACK in & the interview continued without dispute. Also Ken stated in that interview that her nutrition had been "pulled" - the phrase that "her nutrition has been pulled" further lead me to believe that her feeding tube had been pulled. Whatever the misleading wording, intentional or unintentional, I am thrilled to hear that Mae is now receiving substantial nourishment and is being cared for and I hope poor, misguided Beth realizes that every life, regardless of how long it has been lived, is valuable and viable.

Posted by: jan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 10, 2005 10:34 PM

According to Ken, she had an IV and feeding tube briefly March 31st/April 1st, when the dispute was going on. Before that he just said she needed but was denied one, I believe.

Posted by: purple_kangaroo_Angela [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 11, 2005 02:31 AM

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