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April 14, 2005

General Announcement For BlogsForTerri Crew

Topics: Action Items

Expect several upcoming action announcements to come very soon. BlogsForTerri will continue to coordinate very closely with the Terri Schiavo Foundation and TerrisFight.org. The Terri Schiavo team is about to take on a more activist role, and will be coordinating with other groups in supporting respect for life and the defeat of the euthanasia movement. A third website, JusticeforTerri.org, will become a resevoir and aggregate for a substantial investigatory activity - to be fed by both blogsForTerri and TerrisFight.org. BlogsforTerri will continue to be a primary get-out-the-message medium for Terri's fight - one that has just begun.

Politicians and judges that have voted and ruled against life are our special targets. Republicans and Democrats alike, begining with the nine Republicans led by Don King in Florida. For a basic hint of where we are going on items such as this, read the Empire Journal article here. And don't think for a minute, not even a nanosecond, that we have finished with Michael Schiavo. We plan to see to it that he is remembered - infamously, for a long time. And we certainly expect that he will also remember Terri Schiavo, TerrisFight.org, and BlogsForTerri.

Many BlogsforTerri bloggers have posted extensively on background elements in Terri's injury and death, and will be asked to participate in an "investigative team" for past and future items of interest. Please be patient and understand that much is going on in the background, and we all have a big job ahead of us. Those of us that support life have a lot of catch-up work to do, the pro-death crowd and the MSM started early and have been working overtime. Our job of catching up and keeping up won't be easy.

Posted by richard at April 14, 2005 8:30 AM

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Thank you for being such a fantastic clearinghouse for information. Anything I can do to help, I will. It is essential we keep pressure on those legislators that blocked humane care of Terri, support those who tried to help, while not forgeting the people who actively pushed her to her death.

Posted by: I hope at April 14, 2005 9:53 AM

Thanks. We need to form a coalition of sorts to stop the Death march in the U.S. Count me in!

Posted by: KC at April 14, 2005 10:27 AM

Yea Richard! You told us several blogs back that more action was coming from Terri's Fight, but we just needed to wait due to the funeral and some grieving time. I stand ready to help. The Mary et. al., who also posts here, has come up with some action ideas....could you also forward them to terrisfight for consideration? They have also been forwarded to Priests for Life where they can reach Father Pavone for consideration and Priests for Life has already responded positively to them as good suggestions. I am going to post them here, again (Mary et. al.'s original questions):

What if...
Mae had appointed a guardian ad lidem group of doctors and clergy to protect her? What if that group had teeth, in the form of a crack team of attorneys expert in these matters? (along the lines of the ACLU). What if the doctors in this group monitored the care she was being given and the attorneys in this group routinely prosecuted anyone who did anything detrimental to Mae or the others who had appointed them.
What if...these people weren't so very under protected by the rest of the sheep, but had a sheep dog to protect her? What if, by appointing this group as her guardian, Mae had placed herself in a shelter, BEFORE all this began, a shelter with the power to make the wolves take notice and back off?
When Terri died I knew they would become ever more brazen. With Mae we are watching their arrogance balloon outrageously. They no longer bother with any pretense or artifice. I am praying for a sheep dog for Mae, but I don't know who it would be outside of God, because we haven't gotten around calling this "dog" into existence yet."

Posted by: juleni at April 14, 2005 10:33 AM

I'm certainly going to be very active with the issues you post at justiceforterri.org; however I have a question and a comment. What is the organization going to be called 'Justice for Terri' or ...? I feel strongly about calling it 'Terri's Watch'. Here's why... 'Justice for Terri' gives the impression we are out on an agenda to compensate for the wrong against Terri, it keeps her in the position of being a victim and the name itself could cause people to get on the offensive "ready for battle". I prefer 'Terri's Watch'. I think it will soften more hearts. It think it will create less of a fight or flight reaction and it implies that Terri is now fighting WITH us (as apposed to 'Justice for Terri' where we're still fighting for her). "Terri's Watch" implies she's now one our members and gets a strong message out that the pro-death agenda is a failure, because even after 'killing' someone, they still continue to exist and exist in a stronger more powerful sense. 'Terri's Watch' transforms Terri from being a victim in life to, after her death, a person who championated a cause to ensure the vulnerable are protected. She becomes an overseer and a leader.

Posted by: Anna_Nordin at April 14, 2005 10:40 AM

And here are the actions Mary et.al. has proposed:

Here's what you should do.

Contact pro-life doctors and clergy in your area, and ask them if they would be a part of a guardian ad litem group. Explain the concept to them and if they are truly pro life, I think they will go for it. I also think there should be three doctors to a group if possible.

Start a prayer warriors group in your area and commit to praying for any one caught in hell, and for the healing and deliverance of those who are guilty of this.

Get the word out about this group. Really we need a central group that gets info printed up about all this, so people can go to Walmart and other high traffic areas to hand them out. It should contain the truth about the euthanasia movement, the living will, and this alternative group, etc.
AND, for those who for any reason don't have such a group to protect them, let us at least provide a jury of 12. First we must find out why this is being done without a jury, then apply the proper remedy, even if it means having congress make a new law. That shouldn't have to be the case, but if it is, then find a congress person to sponsor the bill and rag all legislative people to support it. And get it passed fast.

(Some others have also proposed tax shelters...juleni)

Posted by: juleni at April 14, 2005 10:41 AM

Reporting for duty!

I will support and help out the Schindlers, BlogsforTerri, etc to put an end to this sick culture of death.

Posted by: kay at April 14, 2005 10:41 AM

I am totally on board with taking active steps to change the way we "do" health care in the US for those who are unable to speak for themselves. I will participate in every piece of activism that will put an end to state-mandated killing of the disabled, the elderly, etc.

I think it is wrong to target Michael Schiavo. He is not a public servant, he is not accountable to his constituents. He IS accountable to his Creator for what he has done. Nobody knows his heart but his Creator. Vengeance will not further the growth of the culture of life. Vengeance is a dead end.

I think George Felos is a proper target. He is an activist lawyer using his skills like Dr. Kevorkian, to further immoral goals that involve the killing of innocent human life. If Michael Schiavo becomes, similarly, an activist for the culture of death, then he too would be a proper target.

For his actions WRT his wife Terri, I believe he is a proper target for prayer only. Or prayer and fasting. Not vengeance.

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at April 14, 2005 10:42 AM

Rae, I believe too that it should not be vengance motivating us in regard to Michael Schiavo, or anyone else....however, there is so much evidence that he has committed a murder of his wife, and there is accountability. Accountability for our actions can bring repentance and truth into the open. His actions should not be covered and forgotten, but exposed. There is a verse that says "do not participate in their evil deeds, but rather expose them". The meaning is not vengance - vengance belongs to the Lord, and punishment to the law, but bringing someone to account for complicity in murder can be done by us. It can be done with honesty, repetition, straightforwardness, without vengance.

And there are several in complicity of this killing - see the Empire Journal article. All should be brought to account.

Posted by: juleni at April 14, 2005 10:54 AM

And Rae, yes prayer, prayer and fasting! You are right.

Posted by: juleni at April 14, 2005 10:55 AM

I like the name Anna, It does imply that Terri is watching and fighting "WITH" us. If you seen Aj's cartoon at The empire Journal, it shows Terri as an angel with "Terri Schindlers List"...Things to do...You have a point Rae, he does need our prayers for ..ahem forgiveness..*cough* However I believe he is shrewd, and there is talk of a book, and possible hefty life ins. so we should NOT take our eyes off of him, b/c if he collects from *HIS* ins. co. from Terris death it would show more collusion. To which he should be held responsible, for state sanctioned murder, along with the rest of those clowns.

Posted by: KC at April 14, 2005 10:56 AM


I'm concerned with the term "support life" that is used frequently. I feel the anti-abortion supporters are using what happened to Terri as a back door to push for their agenda. I also beleive this was partly the reason why many Democrats would not help Terri. I am pro choice. I also have been caring for my severely brain-damaged husband for over 15 yrs alone.
It is wonderful that people with many different views have come together because of what happened to Terri. But if this coalition has a section platform for the anti-abortion followers then I will not be able to be apart of this coalition since I really don't think it has any place here.

Posted by: Caryn at April 14, 2005 12:19 PM

Here, here, Juleni--You said it exactly as it should be said; vengeance is God's, laws are the states, which is why God allows govt to exist. Govat has failed in its mandate and that leaves it up to the people. Proverbs 24 says we are to come to the aid of those headed for slaughter or God, Himself, will deal with us accordingly. So this is a one on one issue with God, lest any one think we're out of our territory here.

And here, here Dr. Nordin--I think your suggestion is the best possible.

Caryn, dear, I hope you re-think that because Blogs is about NOT choosing who dies if it is about anything. Humans usurping God's authority over life is what we are fighting, so it must be that we take a stand on the whole issue or no issue at all. If anyone knows of a way to fight against this and allow it at the same time, I would be very interested to hear it.

Posted by: mary et. al. at April 14, 2005 1:41 PM

I surely hope that you count me in on these projects. I don't think I have ever worked for anything as important in my life. I want to be a part of the group!

Posted by: JoJoFox at April 14, 2005 3:16 PM

juleni, mary et. al, and richard:

The original post said this about Michael Schiavo, "We plan to see to it that he is remembered - infamously, for a long time. And we certainly expect that he will also remember Terri Schiavo, TerrisFight.org, and BlogsForTerri."

This seemed to indicate a plan not to bring him to justice in the courts of the US but to publicize his name & deeds as infamous in the court of public opinion, and cause him to be thought of and spoken of as a villain for a long time to come.

I have no problem with anyone proceeding legally against Michael Schiavo. But please, let's not confuse vengeance with justice. With all respect and sympathy, we need to avoid the temptation of doing wrong under the guise of righting a wrong.

Realizing that not everyone out there is Catholic or even Christian, and intending this to be a bit of wisdom and not an authoritative judgment on anything, I'd like to refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church on this topic. It teaches, "2302 'To desire vengeance in order to do evil to someone who should be punished is illicit,' but it is praiseworthy to impose restitution 'to correct vices and maintain justice.' ...The Lord says, 'Everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.

2303 Deliberate hatred is contrary to charity. Hatred of the neighbor is a sin when one deliberately wishes him evil. Hatred of the neighbor is a grave sin when one deliberately desires him grave harm. 'But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.' "

God will not bless us if we desire vengeance or if we deliberately wish Michael Schiavo evil. Let's move away from thinking in terms of making sure he never forgets BlogsForTerri or Terrisfight.org The Devil would crow with glee if he could insinuate himself into our efforts to remember Terri Schiavo by fighting for the disabled, the vulnerable, and those who cannot fight for themselves.

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at April 14, 2005 9:17 PM

This probably isn't going to come across too well, but I think a split off group that has more moderate goals has a higher chance of achieving something.

There are enough more than enough connecting points for both sides to come together, take a stand in and then opt for a push in that area.
There's already a large group of organizations lobbying pro-life standpoints so you'd be one among many which has its advantages but doesn't necessarily mean you'll get to where you want to go.
On the other hand, there seems to be a lot of middleground where nothing is happening, just because if a pro-life tries to tackle it, the other side will try and reject it just out of principle and not really on merit and vice versa.

An example: Terri and Mae both ended up in a hospice. One side said they should be there, the other side said they shouldn't be there so obviously, regardless of your POV, there's a problem there.
A common ground compromise is to look over exactly why and how people are getting admitted to one and make sure it only happens for all the right reasons, with an accountability somewhere for doctors or people who make the wrong call and/or a review board that looks over disputed cases.

Caryn made the point that she wouldn't be able to find herself in a fully pro-life anti-abortion organization and neither would I, but I know for myself and think I can presume for her that we don't condone reckless abortion either just because "I can, so why not?".
Responsible abortion is something pro-choice would not disagree with, and less abortions I would think still benifits pro-life.

You don't have to abandon your ideology to make a compromise. There have been lots of remarks about how Terri's situation brought people from all sides together, Republicans and Democrats, pro-life and pro-choice, religious and atheist. It would seem that that is what made it special and it would go to waste by in one way or the other pushing for an alignment with existing, split factions and driving a number of people away as a result.

Posted by: Vanessa at April 15, 2005 4:21 AM

Thank you Vanessa for your well put words. I do have a tendency to be challenged in my writings and speaking abilities.

I'm not comfortable of having different laws in each state. Chipping away at problems can help at times but can also lead to "spinning your wheels" . Why should the disabled and those incapacitated have more protection in one state than another state? So let's think bigger!

Something we all can agree on is that nurishment and food should not be witheld by any means from someone. I find this to be discrimination against only the disabled and those incapacitated. Withholding nurishment can not be done to anyone else, therefore lets go to the US Supreme Court pleading a case of discrimination that is only against the disabled and incapacitated by denying food and nurishment by any means.

I have had very little time lately to post and I know there are those who write far more clearer than me, but I do believe all those who were brought together because of Terri's plight would help finacially support independent attorneys to present a discrimination or civil rights case to the US Supreme Court.

Posted by: Caryn at April 16, 2005 9:09 AM

Rae, agreed. We are to pray for our enemies, and we are to do good to those who badly use us. This does include Michael. And Richard, your words were a bit on the vengance side. Though I am certainly also capable of making mistakes of anger too, at times, because I am human.

Rae, this still does not mean that what Michael has done should not be exposed. That is not hate, nor is it vengance, nor is it anger. I saw a story on the news last week about a man who savagely abused a woman he knew sexually, beat her and then killed her with the help of another woman who *filmed the whole thing*. Amazingly, he went through two trials and was not found guilty by a jury! Because no one could locate the film, though the woman who helped him commit the murder had confessed all!

The trial had become quite public, but he was seemingly exonerated, and he seemed quite relieved and happy, and went on his way.

But there were those who deep inside still believed that there were too many suspicious things that had not been fully brought into the open, and would not let the public forget about that film that supposedly was somewhere, though other people surely wanted to forget about it and thought that justice had been done, and the man must not be guilty.

And because of those who kept the knowledge of the wrongdoing alive, the film was *found*, and out poured the whole thing - every shot of the horrible abuse and murder, recorded right on film, with the man himself in the film (though he hid his face, they were able to compare moles and marks on his back with the film and positively I.D. him).

So you see, the reality of Michael's deeds need to be kept alive, especially since Greer and others will continue to cover them up as time goes by. Yesterday, the report came out that the reports of abuse didn't yield anything 'officially', and yet due to many, many articles and papers online that people have saved on their home computers, we can show that this report is not true. This is not vengance, or anger. This is just accountability.

Also, Mary et. al., in a comment in an article above, later than this one, responded to you, that the Catholic church says that public sins must be revealed in public, or words to that effect. You need to go and find her comment, because my words are not what she actually said - she quoted from somewhere. And since it is Catholic doctrine, you need to see it. I am not Catholic, but am a Christian, so Mary is better able to answer you in this area.

Posted by: juleni at April 16, 2005 3:32 PM

Caryn, I also agree that legislation could also be proposed for what you have stated - in regards to protection of the disabled or those incapacitated. And that should cover the situation of withholding nutrition and hydration.

However, I do know that there are further dangers which may exist, beyond hydration/nutrition, in the future. If Kevorkian had his way (and his lawyer has spoken about this idea of his on the news), they would never have to remove anyone's feeding tube or withhold food and water from anyone to see them die. In fact, they say that they agree that that is a terrible way to go. They promote instead, lethal injection. And then, it becomes a matter of life including not only the disabled and the incapacitated. It can go to whomever someone may please to take death to, for whatever trumped up reasons. (And hurting someone disabled or incapacitated in my thinking is already trumped up reason. No one should ever be legislated to be hurt or to die.)

Posted by: juleni at April 16, 2005 3:38 PM