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« Terri info: Terri speaks | Main | Email from physician reader: If Terri dies, "Demand Autopsy" to discover not only the immediate cause of death, but the proximate cause of death. » March 18, 2005UPDATE: FROM: CHERYL FORD, NURSE SPOKESPERSON SCHINDLER FOUNDATIONTopics:FROM: CHERYL FORD, NURSE SPOKESPERSON SCHINDLER FOUNDATION Posted by richard at March 18, 2005 3:39 PM Articles Related to : Trackback PingsTrackBack URL for this entry: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference UPDATE: FROM: CHERYL FORD, NURSE SPOKESPERSON SCHINDLER FOUNDATION:
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Allowed a prayer service 'without the family's presence'? What will it take for people to understand? Posted by: moge at March 18, 2005 3:48 PM For future reference... (I pray this option never need to be used) Michael Schiavo intends to cremate Terri immediately upon her death. Please see http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/policy/policystatement.htm#CA . The Medical Examiner must approve all such requests. If Terri is killed by Michael and "Judge" [and Jury] Greer, then everyone must contact the Medical Examiner and demand an autopsy to discover not only the immediate cause of death, but the proximate cause of death. Even Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden publicly stated that he believes that her original injuries were consitent with strangulation. The Medical Examiner can (and should) be subject to adverse license action by the Medical Board should he fail to exercise appropriate judgement in accordance with the state medical practice act. If the Terri dies, we must all contact him immediately and demand justice for Terri. If a crime was committed, then several people need to go to jail including those who conspired to kill her (and cover it up)... Michael Schiavo, his live-in girlfriend, "Judge" Greer, the hospice staff, the physicians and those politicians and judges who failed to act on her behalf. Contact information: I hope we never have to use this information, but please keep it available in case the evil forces win. Robert W. Smith MD Posted by: Robert W.Smith MD at March 18, 2005 3:50 PM This is very sad. I guess it's too late to join "Blogs for Terry" right now. We little people have no control over this, it seems. Unbelievable. Posted by: Ticklebug at March 18, 2005 3:50 PM It is amazing the hypocrisy of the right winger Bush kool-aid drinking puppets in this country. Posted by: ASG at March 18, 2005 3:52 PM "Vengeance is mine," says the Lord. "I will repay." We can take some comfort in that, at least. Posted by: corrie at March 18, 2005 3:52 PM May God have mercy on their souls... Posted by: annmarie at March 18, 2005 3:57 PM CORRECTION!!!! NUREMBERG TRIAL FOR GREER AND MICHAEL SCHIAVO, NOW!!!!!!!! Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 18, 2005 3:58 PM BTW, I JUST HEARD NEWT GINGRICH TELL SEAN HANNITY THAT GREER CAN AND SHOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS!!!!! Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 18, 2005 4:01 PM MoFiz, your caps lock key is stuck. Posted by: corrie at March 18, 2005 4:04 PM What else can we do? I tried to call some of the numbers you gave and their boxes are all full, or the numbers are busy. I'll keep the medical examiner info handy, but like everyone else, hope it doesn't come to that. Someone's got to stop this madness! Posted by: Beautiful Belgian Babe at March 18, 2005 4:06 PM Just received this from a list I'm on: TERRI IS CRYING I WANT TO LIVE.. PRESS RELEASE: ATTORNEY BARBARA WELLER TOLD TERRI THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REMOVE HER FEEDING TUBE , TERRI BEGAN TO CRY AND TRIED TO SAY "I WANT TO LIVE" ATTORNEY WELLER SAID SHE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME CALMING TERRI DOWN. WE NEED PEOPLE TO SURROUND HOSPICE IN PROTEST TO JUDGE GREER'S RULING STATING HE WILL OVER RIDE FEDERAL SUBPOENA AND WILL REMOVE TERRI'S FEEDING TUBE IMMEDIATELY. FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT COME TO FLORIDA...PLEASE CALL YOUR SENATORS. PLEASE DO NOT STOP YOUR CALLS. ACTION BY THE PEOPLE MUST TAKE PLACE TO SAVE TERRI FROM JUDICIAL HOMICIDE. JUDGE GREER IS WRONG AND IS NOT LISTENING TO CONGRESS.
Posted by: chris K at March 18, 2005 4:06 PM I agree. I am calling Senators right now and they are trying to find out if Greer (more like Darth Vader) can legally block a subpoena. Keep calling guys...you can find a list here for your senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm Posted by: Hidden Nook at March 18, 2005 4:09 PM You people know Terri is unable to "speak" and you are putting words in her mouth that you want to hear. Her God is calling her, if you consider yourselves christians, then let her go to paradise in peace! Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:12 PM corrie - LOL!!! Sorry, I know this is no time to laugh:( Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 18, 2005 4:14 PM it not christian to deny anyone food and water! Posted by: swimmer at March 18, 2005 4:14 PM Ken: re: "Her God is calling her..." Her God also said, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" Bob Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 18, 2005 4:16 PM Grudge Greer DEMONstrates a power far more sinister and threatening than any I've ever had the misfortune to study. Why should Florida LAW _insist_ (beyond even the call of Congress & President) an innocent woman be starved to death? We have no choice but belive Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D., District Chief Medical Examiner's above post - a criminal cover-up provides the only rational explanation. Posted by: Christopher D. LeBlanc at March 18, 2005 4:17 PM Then her God will take her quickly, and YOU shouldn't worry about things beyond your control. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:17 PM I just called Mike DeWines office and no answer. Then I called George Voinavich's and the woman who answered was not nice, said the Senate has exhausted all of their options and the real problem is with the Florida judges. I told her that was an excuse and the Fed govern. can get off their duffs on this. Excuse me while I go outside and scream. Posted by: Marine Momma at March 18, 2005 4:18 PM Did her God also say "thou shalt not allow to die"? Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:21 PM Judge Greer poses a threat to national security--the president might be able to do something with an executive order to stop him, maybe???? Posted by: anonymous at March 18, 2005 4:22 PM Terri won't go in peace. She will slowly die of starvation and dehydration. Remember that feeling when you haven't eaten anything all day and your stomach is growling? Now imagine that pain when you haven't eaten for four or five days. That's the pain Terri will feel. If God were "calling" her, she would have died. No extraordinary measures have been taken, unless you consider food and water "extraordinary." Posted by: sara at March 18, 2005 4:23 PM Since 1) Judge Greer's order to also withhold NATURAL feeding was illegal by Florida statute, and 2) Terri is crying inconsolably over what is happening, and 3) Michael is crying inconsolably that Terry is able to express herself enough to cry (thus exposing his dirty little secret) ... NOW is the time for Governor Jeb Bush show up with his motorcade and a cup of pudding and a spoon, with all the TV cameras that will fit in the room. I wrote to him and told him so. His e-mail address is jeb@myflorida.com . God Bless Terri Schindler-Schiavo, Suzanne. Posted by: Suzanne. at March 18, 2005 4:23 PM The parents were not in the room. Micheal Schiavo was there. Would he have done "something" particular to make sure that Terri would definitely die and die fast this time so that we will not be able to save her again as in 2003? Terri does not have a chance! Posted by: Miranda at March 18, 2005 4:24 PM Remember the story of Lazarus? He was starving and died and was comforted in the Bosom of Abraham? I wonder where judge greer and michael shiavo will be comforted? Posted by: Tress at March 18, 2005 4:26 PM Who autjorized for the feeding tube to be put in in the first place? Are we seure that when Terri collapsed 15yrs ago that her husbabnd did not have something to do with that? Maybe he did not expect her to live this long. Since the tube is already in her body it should be left in to feed her till her body rejects everything and do no institute anything new to keep her alive. Posted by: olive at March 18, 2005 4:26 PM Oh those who are to quick to jump on any right-to-life bandwagon. Here is a dilemma for all you who think you know you want government involved in a family matter...A child falls ill and becomes brain damaged, the medical profession has told the family that their will NOT be any recovery, the parents make an agonizing, but loving, decision to let God take of of their baby, another family member or worse yet some JO BLOW walks in off the street and fights their decision. Under new legislation anyone who does not have an advanced directive, such as children who cannot sign one, will have someone else decide their children's fate for them. I hope to God you do not see some stranger at your door (Bible Thumpers) questioning a most agonizing decision! Get a grip people it IS Michael Schiavo's decision as her husband. It amazes me that there are so many other issues pressing in this world that all the Republicans can do is rally around this one issue that should be left up to the family! Posted by: Angela at March 18, 2005 4:33 PM if you really love your child, no matter what, you will not let him/her die. just like Terri's parents. Posted by: swimmer at March 18, 2005 4:35 PM She will go in peace. In order to feel pain you need a brain. Food and water is "extraordiary" when her request was not to live like this. I would not forgive my spouse if she didn't follow my expressed wishes concerning my death. Would you? Terri is not crying inconsolably. She is unable to express emotions. Her brain is dead. Tears constantly run from her eyes. Look at what you are writing. You people are really sick. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:38 PM food and water is not extraordinary. are you telling me that you should't feed your baby who cannot eat on his/her own? we have no proof of her request. Posted by: swimmer at March 18, 2005 4:40 PM Who is willing to join our hero Terri in her fight (expressed with tears) to defend her inalienable right to her own life? A Nationwide hunger strike might at least put what is being done to her into a valuable perspective. We must be judged by how we treat the least and powerless among us. Posted by: Christopher D. LeBlanc at March 18, 2005 4:40 PM Angela, according to Judge Greer, YOU'RE on life support, because you eat food every day. How would you feel if he ordered you not to eat and restrained you to keep you from getting any for yourself? That's what he did to Terri just because she is brain-damaged. She is NOT braindead, she is NOT terminal, this is NOT hastening death, it's homicide! Posted by: anonymous at March 18, 2005 4:41 PM Angela, a few things.... 1. It is highly doubtful that the brain damage just happened in Terri. 2. Michael Schiavo doesn't care one cent for her. 3. Her parents do. 4. oh, and There IS HOPE for Terri's recovery. I'm sure there are more things that I missed.... Posted by: Jasmine at March 18, 2005 4:41 PM "we have no proof of her request"
How many times do you have to be told that????? Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:44 PM But I see you neglected to answer my question! Would you want anyone namely BIG GOVERNMENT in your household. If so let me know and I will be on your doorstep dreaming up things to sue you for. You are obviously Republican and Religious which , in this day and age, is the deadliest combination to our FREE society. If you need something to pray for pray for the GOD fearing soldiers who are fighting (including my brother) in a country where our lousy, lying President sent them to die! Posted by: Angela at March 18, 2005 4:45 PM are you stupid too? she's not brain dead! Posted by: swimmer at March 18, 2005 4:46 PM "She will go in peace." "In order to feel pain you need a brain. Terri is not crying inconsolably. She is unable to express emotions. Her brain is dead. Tears constantly run from her eyes." TERRI SCHIAVO HAS A BRAIN. Her brain is NOT dead- she has expressed emotions!! My heart breaks for her and her family. We need to keep praying and calling those in authority. Posted by: Jasmine at March 18, 2005 4:47 PM I am so done with the ignorant people who have a computer but no intelligence behind the keyboard to form an argumentative discussion above "are you stupid?". Get a grip, get a life, and leave others lives to themselves! Posted by: Angela at March 18, 2005 4:48 PM First of all, Terri isn't "brain dead". Duh! That's just plain stupid. She has severe brain damage. If she were brain dead she wouldn't be able to breathe on her own. Geez! Posted by: leximeg at March 18, 2005 4:49 PM I want "BIG GOVERNMENT" in my living room if they are trying to prevent my husband from murdering me! Posted by: anonymous at March 18, 2005 4:49 PM Tears do NOT contantly run down her cheeks. Have you even watched the videos of her? Seen that she can react? Posted by: Amy at March 18, 2005 4:49 PM Hey angela and all you left-wing Pro-Deathers: Can we starve those Terrorists who attacked our Country on 9-11? We can't even "strip" them and treat them like the animals they are... No, we must watch a "loving husband" murder his wife after paying a judge to allow it...(while shacking up with his girl friend who is likely going to be the next "Mrs I want to Die" shiavo. No, we must watch an innocent woman be starved to death because a judge won't allow her to be fed... Well, judge greer believes he is a Christian--I only hope that he understands the consequences of murder...Four Hurricanes (More)? Tsunami? Earthquake? Fires that won't die? Floods? Deep frosts to kill the fruits? Have Mercy, Lord---be as gentle on them as they were on Terri Posted by: Tress at March 18, 2005 4:49 PM Angela, I'll leave these idiots to you. Good Luck! Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 4:51 PM She did NOT say she didn't want to live! You only have her "husband's" word on that. And he didn't remember it until 1998 (convenient hmmm? that was the same year he petitioned to have the tube REMOVED). How is food and water artificial life support? kpwoodlock, How do you know her brain is dead? Are you a doctor that examined her?
Oh, btw, her husband is living in an adulterous relationship with another woman and violated Florida state law in regards to guardianship requirements. He also didn't use any of the malpractice lawsuit money for her rehabilitation like he SAID he would. Instead, he used it to hire a EUTHANASIA HUNGRY lawyer named George Felos, to KILL HER. I think he wants to cover up evidence of abuse (the husband). He wants her CREMATED immediately w/ NO AUTOPSY. He has also commented "when is that b**ch going to die?" The husband is the key in all of this. He's a lying adulterous jerk. Posted by: Elizabeth V at March 18, 2005 4:51 PM And the insertion of the feeding tube is down by the doctors. You have to sign a consent form to insert the tube and this is usually done while the person is still in ICU. So 99.9 percent of the time, it's the immediate family who signs the consent. Now, if you want to argue this with me, I'll debate it with you until the cows come home because you haven't walked in the Schindlers' shoes or ours. Posted by: leximeg at March 18, 2005 4:54 PM I came here because I am sick to my stomach over the fact that my beloved country is allowing a court to force loved ones to stand by while an estranged husband starves a mentally ill but much loved woman! I don't know which angle of this makes me more sick. Fortunately, the intensity is lessened as I remember that those resposible probably share IQ's with the mindless trolls who wander here - having nothing better to do with thier lives. Posted by: Julie at March 18, 2005 4:55 PM oh another thing, why didn't Michael say that Terri wanted to do die or not live like this a long time ago even before he got the money from the lawsuit? Posted by: swimmer at March 18, 2005 4:56 PM kpwoodlock, WHERE DID THE EVIDENCE COME FROM for Terri's request? There is ONE SOURCE. HER HUSBAND. And I don't know about you, but I have noticed a GIANT conflict of interest on his part. Posted by: Bostonian at March 18, 2005 4:57 PM Brain-dead people have no brain function. None. They are kept going by respirators. They can't hear, see, or feel. Compare this with the video (and eyewitness reports) of Terri smiling, laughing, and crying. She moans at the pain from menstrual cramps. So yes, she will suffer as she slowly starves to death. Posted by: sara at March 18, 2005 4:59 PM Oh yes I have, and the decision I made was for the grace of my child. And oh by the way I work in a critical care unit of a children's hospital and see this everyday. So I am surrounded by it all day. Don't come off holier than though until you know someone's entire story. But that is your M.O. You people feed off of news bites and clips and then decide that you all know best. You are only one sided and stick your noses in a place where it DOESN'T belong. Goodbye and GOD beware as you have many a competition for your seat here on earth. Posted by: Angela at March 18, 2005 5:00 PM Angela, I notice that you believe this should be "left up to the family." Are you aware that her parents want to take her home and take care of her? You're really just OK with letting her husband decide for her? How... progressive of you. We have only his word for what her wishes are, and Terri is NOT brain dead. (We have only HIS doctor's word for that, and dozens of neurologists have said that at least an MRI would be needed to make that determination.) Posted by: Bostonian at March 18, 2005 5:02 PM Good grief Angela, you seem to be taking this as an assault on all such choices. THIS IS NOT LIKE YOUR CASE. I am sorry for your loss and sorry you had to make such a terrible decision. This woman is aware of the world. Her husband and the people he has hired have not treated her fairly or honestly, and this judge is making a life-and-death decision based on medical evidence that is ten years old. Posted by: Bostonian at March 18, 2005 5:06 PM leximeg, there's nothing to argue about. The courts ruled that the Schindlers have no standing and your daughter was in a coma, Terri is not. Bostonian, There were more witnesses than her husband. 2 or 3 of their friends also testified that they heard her state the same thing. Sara, Terri has eye movement, smiles, and moans all day and night even when people aren't there. A lot of the reaction you see with her mother is because her mother is blowing in her face. These are reactive motions not functions of the brain. The other "experts" that say she can be cured have not even examined Terri. All the expert doctors including the ones hired by the court have said her brain is mush and she is in a persistent vegetative state. NOT A COMA. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 5:14 PM Until God - Allah- Yahweh (or whatever you want to call it) parts the skies and tell us all how it truely is - keep your religious beliefs to yourself. This was a private family matter. This was nothing but an attempt by pro-lifers to take one step closer to trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade. If yTerri's parents truely believed they wouldn't be bothered by her death - the fact is they see their daughter as their property. I know it is a terrible loss ofr a parent to lose a child - but death is a part of life. I wish everyone involved inthis matter peace - but most of all, Terri, who seems to be the one most everyone has forgotten. Posted by: Mark T. at March 18, 2005 5:18 PM Why get into a lengthy court battle to remove your wife's feeding tube when you've moved on with your life? Why doesn't Michael divorce her and let her parents take care of her as they've requested? If Michael is so concerned with Terri's "life", then why hasn't she received any therapy of any sort since 1993? Why did he refuse treatment? Why did he threaten to sue doctors or nurses that provide treatment or stimulation? He tried hard for the first few years.. and then gave up. Doesn't mean her parents have to. If I had given up on a loved one with my family thought I should have, I would have missed several great years with her. She had an extreme will to live.. I think Terri does deep inside too. You'd have to going through this for 15 years. I don't know what I would do in this situation myself.. But I do know that these questions alone should set off an alarm in a government mind somewhere. Posted by: Shawna at March 18, 2005 5:20 PM There are doctors willing to perform a definitive test to determine whether she is in fact in PVS, but her adulterous husband will not allow it. Perhaps her reactions are simply brain-stem impulses. Perhaps not. Michael won't let doctors find out. God have mercy on this nation. And Angela, I truly, deeply, sincerely ask you to find another line of work. I have had a child in NICU, and I am very glad that you were not on the care team. Posted by: corrie at March 18, 2005 5:26 PM kpwoodlock and Angela, You are truly two of the most ignorant people I've ever had the misfortune to happen upon. If you won't take 5 minutes to learn thr truth of this case, but feel some need to come here and repeatedly wish the slow and painful death of another human being, then I will try really hard to feel sorry for you, but that won't be easy. I hope you're children, otherwise this country is in real trouble. Posted by: Anon at March 18, 2005 5:28 PM Olive, Guys, Where have you been? If you bothered to read any of the source documents available on line, you'd see exactly what is happening. Read this for a quick idea: http://oneeyedking.typepad.com/myoldgrayetc/2005/02/stand_up_for_te.html Go here to read all docs: http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html Posted by: moge at March 18, 2005 5:29 PM kpwoodlock: Yes, it was written by a minister, but read it anyway. It lays out the facts by someone who has investigated the case thoroughly. Terri's "diagnosis" was improperly performed. Posted by: sara at March 18, 2005 5:29 PM Shawna, If you were my spouse I would expect you to try everything upto a certain point, but then to follow my express wishes concerning my death. If you were to hand me over to my parents who were going to do something to the contrary I would want you to go to your grave knowing that I would never forgive you for failing me in my time of need. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 5:30 PM Corrie, 3 experts have already done definitive tests to determine that she is in PVS, but her parents won't believe it nor would they believe it if you had 20 more doctors come in and 19 out 20 said the same thing, they would say "see she might recover". Anon, I'm 54, and it's obvious this country has been in trouble for some time, when we can't allow a poor suffering woman die in peace. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 5:42 PM Are you aware that Rev. Johansen may have been paid by her parents, and may not be the 'disinterested' investigator he seems to want to be? At least one article indicated this to be the case. Posted by: anonymous at March 18, 2005 5:50 PM kpwoodlock - I'm wondering if perhaps thats what Hitler thought as he allowed all those jews to die. They were, after all, useless to "him". Posted by: Julie at March 18, 2005 5:50 PM kpwoodlock, come back and talk to me when you're put in the same position. You're talking out of the side of your mouth. You have no clue. PVS is a long-term coma. It's considered a comalike state. Therefore, same. The fact is things have changed since 1990. There are rehabilitative therapies that can and should be tried before you just put someone to such a slow death. The Schindlers have no say. Michael Schiavo now has no say because, even if he decided to renege, the courts have ruled. Well, guess he'll be able to collect what's left of the money (not much anymore because he used most of it for his lawyers) and remarry. Too bad the courts just can't let the Schindlers sign for their daughter to divorce him. What I think would be hysterical is that she does start to talk within the next couple of days and Michael's stuck. Would serve him right. Posted by: leximeg at March 18, 2005 6:05 PM kpwoodlock and Angela, First, thank you for posting. It takes a great deal of courage to post on a forum that is clearly going to shout you down. I occasionally try to do it on forums that end up shouting me down and it is very difficult. I also apologize for those who don't treat you with respect. Please be charitable to them. This is a very difficult day for those of us who want to see Terri live and it can cloud our ability to be charitable. However, this is what I would say in reply your issues/questions: 1. Please read the article Sara referenced you to. There is good reason to doubt the diagnosis of PVS. 2. I believe that food is not extrodinary care. Terri, as a Catholic is bound by the teachings of her Church, which teaches that food, even by a feeding tube, is not extrodinary care. The Church also teaches that suicide is immoral. 3. Just as I believe healthy people do not have the right to commit suicide, I believe those who only need a feeding tube to survive to not have the right to ask to die. 4. As much as many, even those who support Terri being kept alive, try to make this an issue about Terri's, Michaels or the Schindler's wishes, I really don't think it matters in this case. The reality is that she is not dying any more than you or I are except for one fact: she can't swallow (although there is reason to believe that she could be trained to). So I have the following questions for you (really, please answer them, they are not rhetorical): Thanks. Posted by: Ken Crawford at March 18, 2005 6:06 PM ASG, Every person that dies unnecessarily bothers me... including Terri. Please remember two things: Posted by: Ken Crawford at March 18, 2005 6:13 PM Why are all the opinions of doctors (noted in the hospice link above )who think Terri is not a vegetable based only on their review of a videotape made by her parents? Sorta suggests to me that her parents may have been afraid that an actual visit could have resulted in a different opinions
Posted by: anonymous at March 18, 2005 7:07 PM Ken, there are plenty of us out here who are progressives, liberals, who are even pro-choice on abortion, hate the war in Iraq, and oppose the death penalty, and believe that supporting the starvation of brain-damaged--NOT brain-dead--people is NOT in the spirit of progressive thought. It is, however, in the spirt of the eugenics movement and of Nazi Germany. Knee-jerk reaction in support of the despicable Michael Schiavo because much of the support for Terri is from your political opponents doesn't change the fact Schiavo's claim stinks to high heaven. Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 18, 2005 7:16 PM 1992 Aug - Terri awarded $250,000 in malpractice settlement. Nov - Terri awarded $1.4 million in malpractice trial. Nov - Michael Schiavo awarded $600,000 in malpractice trial. 1993 Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment. Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri. Feb - Schiavo withholds medical information from Terri's parents. Feb - Schiavo posts Do not Resuscitate order in Terri's medical chart. Jun - Schiavo threatens Schindler family with lawsuit. Aug - Schiavo orders medical staff not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection. Sep - Bob and Mary Schindler petition courts to remove Schiavo as Terri's guardian. Nov - Schiavo admits in deposition that he knew withholding treatment of infection could result in Terri's death. 1994 Feb - Judge Penick dismisses guardianship suit. Apr - Terri moved to Palm Gardens Nursing Home. 1995 Sep - Schiavo orders Palm Gardens not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection. 1996 Jun - Terri's parents obtain court order for access to Terri's medical records. 1997 May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration. Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced. Aug - Attorney Felos's letter notifying Terri's parents of action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration. 1998 Jun - Guardian ad Litem appointed by court to investigate Terri's case. Oct - Schiavo offers to donate Terri's inheritance to charity if family agrees to allow removal of her hydration and nutrition. Dec - Guardian ad Litem recommends the court not approve Schiavo's petition. 1999 Feb - Attorney George Felos files bias charges against Guardian ad Litem. Jun - Guardian ad Litem dismissed by the court. Its amazing to me that a "loving husband" so quickly wants a wife dead after money is awarded, and "engaged", before the death has even happened. I see how he has Terri's best interests at heart. Posted by: shaken at March 18, 2005 8:32 PM [kpwoodlock: Watch that mouth and I won't have to watch you. I am watching, you know. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 8:39 PM Hey Shaken, You forgot to mention when Bob Schindler demanded half of Terri's award in Feb of 1993 which caused the falling out between Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 8:55 PM Beth, But you thought it was alright to let Julie get away with the Hitler comment? I want to know who is watching you? Seriously. I didn't like that comment and if you weren't going to let my comment through you should not have let hers through. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 9:05 PM 1. From that report [Dr. Zabiega explained that “a CT scan can’t resolve the kind of detail needed” to make such a pronouncement: “A CT scan is like a blurry photograph.” Dr. William Bell, a professor of neurology at Wake Forest University Medical School, agrees: “A CT scan doesn’t give much detail. In order to see it on a CT, you have to have massive damage.”] 2. If Terri was using birth control she wasn't following Catholic teachings. 3. It doesn't matter what you think. 4. She can't learn to swallow. 1. Again, she can't learn to swallow and she's always had the "right" to die when it was determined by the courts that she had requested not to be kept alive by tubes and other artificial means. 2. N/A Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 9:19 PM Imagine for a moment the following hypothetical since Mr. S has two children out of wedlock. Would daddy let/make my mommy die too? A valid question - don't you think? Posted by: Anonymous at March 18, 2005 9:20 PM Take it even further - Imagine his child learns that daddy even prevented loving family from protecting them from a planned Imagine the child learns that daddy profitted from death . . .a death that may have been initiated by daddy's anger. Does Daddy get angry? Posted by: Anonymous at March 18, 2005 9:24 PM Anonymous, His kids are probably smart enough to grasp and understand the whole concept of right to die, keeping the last wishes of a spouse and facing reality. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 9:30 PM Excuse me for just a minute... Some of you keep crowing about the doctors who proclaimed Terri "brain dead." Do you know who they are? Read the medical facts for yourselves. FACTS ARE FACTS
Posted by: Beth at March 18, 2005 9:45 PM kp - So, you are under the impression that kids relate to and understand the implications of the term "Right to die"? How convenient to teach young children about imposed death sentences with sterile terminology! How difficult would it be for the same child to imagine being barred access to any food or water for 1/2 day? 1 entire day? 2 days? 3 days? 4 days? Tell us kp - how many children do you know that can imagine not eating or drinking for days at a time? Eventually, Mr. S's children will become aware of the actually meaning of what they have been told or taught. You can bet on it.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 18, 2005 9:49 PM I just saw Foul Felos on Larry King Live, saying how awful it is that Terri has been force-fed for so long. Let's, for a moment, pretend this is true... the government can force-feed protestors who are on a hunger strike. So, all we have to do is have Terri declared to be on a hunger strike, and that way she can have food again. Posted by: Anonymous at March 18, 2005 10:16 PM When in a society the unthinkable becomes acceptable; then nothing is impossible. Wake up America. Posted by: Dawn Kozsey at March 18, 2005 10:54 PM Survivors and world leaders gathered in Poland on January 27, 2005 to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the largest and most notorious of the Nazi death camps. Interesting...that on this historic anniversary, the disabled persons in the US live in fear of being court ordered to their deaths. Remember...In Nazi Germany, the death orders were first issued to the disabled, the weak, the ill, the elderly. It was justified as "merciful". It was explained as their lives "lack quality" and they lived "lives unworthy of life". The public actually accepted these rationalizations and felt it was the "right thing to do" PS Ken: Posted by: JoMarley at March 18, 2005 11:19 PM This man Felos, who claims he is so concerned with Terri's dignity, on national TV has referred to Terri as a "houseplant". Dignity? I am a Special Educator with 35 years of working for the empowerment of the disabled. I find Mr Felos /Shiavo's comments "disgusting". They are an insult to every human being who has been humbled by brain injury. They need to learn that in order to experience a "death with dignity" , a person must first be afforded a "life with dignity". If Michael has never allowed Terri a "life with dignity"..how the hell can he expect to provide her with this "dignity " in death ? Brain injury may very well be humbling...that's true. But to be dead with a rotting body ..now what is so dignified about that? So it is with the Civil Rights of the Disabled. Posted by: JoMarley at March 18, 2005 11:46 PM Anonymous I know many children that can understand the concepts I spoke of. Obviously you're not one. May that same God take Terri quickly and forgive all of you for supporting her continued suffering. JoMarley Do you realize how much credibility you lose when you spout off your revisionist version of Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 18, 2005 11:55 PM JoMarley, Why do you insist on refering to Terri as disabled? Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 19, 2005 12:04 AM Revisionist version of history????? http://www.regent.edu/admin/ctl/uselesseaters/ You may also want to consult blogger BeckiSnow.com and her comments on The first to die were the ones that were easiest to justify. Posted by: JoMarley at March 19, 2005 12:22 AM kpwoodlock, Sorry you felt singled out, but it was just that particular comment. Believe me, there have been far worse that you won't see and those people don't get to stick around. Just sayin'. Posted by: Beth at March 19, 2005 3:08 AM And since you and Jo are discussing the topic... In an article in the July 14, 1949, New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Alexander warned that the Nazis’ crimes against humanity had “started from small beginnings . . . merely a subtle shift in emphasis in the basic attitude of the physicians. It started with the acceptance, basic in the euthanasia movement, that there is such a thing as life not worthy to be lived.” That shift in emphasis among physicians, said Dr. Alexander, could happen here, in America. Actually, the devaluing of apparent “imperfect life” had begun years before, in the United States. Various academics, in and out of the medical profession, had successfully advocated and instituted a eugenics movement—the perfecting of future generations of Americans by deciding who, depending on their hereditary genes, would be allowed to have children. The unfit would no longer be permitted to reproduce. These American eugenicists provided German proponents of a “master race” with inspiration. As Robert Jay Lifton wrote in his invaluable book The Nazi Doctors (Basic Books), “A rising interest in eugenics [in America had] led, by 1920, to the enactment of laws in twenty-five states providing for compulsory sterilization of the criminally insane and other people considered genetically inferior.” (Emphasis added). see also http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0346,hentoff,48502,6.html http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0347,hentoff,48738,6.html http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0349,hentoff,49123,6.html Posted by: Beth at March 19, 2005 3:11 AM What a very, very sad story. Unbelievable. I'm very sad. Posted by: Miguel at March 19, 2005 3:53 AM KP: Congratulations on living for 54 years. I'm sure you have met many children who are as smart as you imply--and I'm sure michael shiavos infant and older child are well able to understand the complexities of this case. They must be among the smartest children on earth. From your posts, I take it that you don't believe in God or have any respect for His Laws. I recommend you google Howard Strom--former athiest--and then maybe you'll start to understand that whether you BELIEVE in HIM or OBEY HIS LAWS...you will meet him when you die. Posted by: Tress at March 19, 2005 10:14 AM Tress, Better people than you have tried to convince me of "His" existence without success. You are free to believe blindly, I choose to believe intelligently. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 19, 2005 10:48 AM To all you people that are blaming the judges: This is my last message in this blog. I'm moving on to bother people at other places but I want you to understand this: The first thing Fidel Castro did when he took power in Cuba was to get rid of all the judges because he didn't like how they ruled the courts. I know you'll find this hard to believe because you didn't hear it on Fox News, but you can easily check it out if you're not too lazy. Posted by: kpwoodlock at March 19, 2005 2:35 PM I am sorry I can't agree with the Judges in the case of Terri,and excuse me if I don't have any compassion for her husband.In any other court case,here say is not excepted,but in this one it was.(WHY?)Even the people on death row are not starved to death,they are given a lethal injection,and are aloud to die quickly.Whether or not people want to here it we must all meet the ultimate judge and will be held accountable for our actions.These judges are no exception.They will then find out what they did was wrong,and believe me they will be held accountable.You are not even aloud to starve a dog to death,but they can starve a living,breathing human being.If this doesn't bother you something is wrong. Posted by: Tammy at March 22, 2005 9:03 AM Are there laws against bigamy in Florida? If so, isn’t Michael Schiavo committing bigamy by continuing to be married to Terri and having a common law wife and children? How can the courts allowed someone who is in the process of committing a crime continue to be the guardian of Terri and make the decision he has made? Posted by: calo at March 23, 2005 10:18 AM    Recent Entries
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Two quick points:
(1) If "civil disobedience" aimed at ending racial segregation was so praiseworthy in the world's eyes, then how much more so is it to save an incapacitated woman's life from a total and systemic perversion of justice — particularly when this perversity reaches even unto the denial of this woman's right to Viaticum and the other Last Rites?
(2) If all the efforts to save her life do fail, and Divine Providence does indeed call her to eternal judgment at this time, then not only should some priest storm the barricades and administer Last Rites, but furthermore, he needs to tell her to offer her unjust death, in imitation of her Divine Master, in reparation for the sins of not only those personally responsible for murdering her, but for the society and culture whose collective rejection of God and His Law made her judicially-sanctioned murder possible, for which this society may well provoke the definitive judgment of Divine Justice!
Posted by: Charles M. de Nunzio at March 18, 2005 3:46 PM