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« OOPS! Michael Schiavo and Attorney George Felos Caught In Lie: Autopsy Decision Not Made By Michael Schiavo, Official Says (Updated) | Main | Jackson Admits Failure in Florida Schiavo Effort » March 30, 2005Terri Schivo's Life: 11th District Denies HearingTopics: News- via email More to come ... cross posted at Hyscience Posted by richard at March 30, 2005 3:41 PM Articles Related to News:
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May they soon discover the meaning of Karma first-hand. Posted by: The Old Coot at March 30, 2005 3:53 PM Yet again pinning hopes on something being done.Its got to the point now that no matter what is done Posted by: britnick at March 30, 2005 4:07 PM If no Judge had ever made a mistake, Posted by: lynaqua at March 30, 2005 4:12 PM I am sick over this. I am deeply ashamed to be an American because of this. This is outright MURDER. Terri should have never been on hospice. Hospice is for terminally ill patients. Terri is not terminally ill. Patients who are terminally ill ( and not on a feeding tube) generally stop eating on their own accord because their body is readying them to die. Terri is not terminal, therefore, she is being STARVED to death! How can we as Americans allow this to happen?????? Posted by: pray4terri at March 30, 2005 4:17 PM OMG! It's like the judges are saying, "How dare you question our authority! Just for that, we're going to kill Terri, and we don't give a flying fark what the evidence is. Now get out of our faces before we sentence you to death as well! Bah!" ..damn, they've based their decision on factors nothing to do with the matter at hand, even a blind man can see that! Bush (either one) if you don't step in NOW and stand up for justice and the US Constitution, you will NEVER have my vote again EVER, even if it means I have to vote for some idiot like Kerry (no offense Kerry supporters, that is just my opinion). I am not alone in this. This murder will cause irreversible damage to everything the US is supposed to stand for. The entire US should bow its head in shame. No wonder there is such international hatred for everything American. Arrogant a$$holes (pardon my language, but the sheer arrogance and obtuseness of these power-drunk 'judges' is infuriating.. they're not fit to judge a pi$$ing contest!).. all they had to do was day "yes, we will hear ALL the evidence because this is America, and every American deserves a fair hearing." but no, they're too wrapt up in themselves to see what they're doing. Bastards. Posted by: demonsurfer at March 30, 2005 4:23 PM And even in spite of this, Terri is still hanging on. She does not want to die. I am disgusted with our court system, with the leaders in Florida. I cannot believe we are allowing a jerk of a man MURDER an innocent disabled person. Continue to pray for Terri. She still needs our prayers... Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 4:24 PM "Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error... They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only... If [free enquiry] be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged." Posted by: demonsurfer at March 30, 2005 5:15 PM Terri is alive. She breathes on her own. With that said, I don't agree she should be allowed to die unless she decides she wants to die. But asking the government and congress and judges to do something radical, or make a law for one person, is something I cannot agree with. As for judges need to see all the evidence, it's absolutely stupid to suggest that all the judges up to the Supreme Court have a hidden agenda or are corrupt. In addition, it's important to remind ourselves that we are at blogsforterri and some information might be bias, heresay, or straight out fabricated. For example, look at the videos, then look at the spoken words list. There is no way those can coincide. Another point, while there are doctors on both extremes who claim completely different things, usually the collective opinion of the medical community is the best advice. In this respect, WebMD or MedPage will point you to the strong opinion (note.. saying "fact" is just close-minded) is that Terri cannot feel pain. While the parents say she feel pain, it's just spin to get people to help Terri. I'd do the same in their position though. MS's lawyer spun the autopsy thing to make it seem like MS's idea. (I'd like to note to those who thought the Medical Examiner, the laywer, and MS were in cahoots.. Stop with the conspiracy theories!! You sound like extremist wackos. That being said, she still has enough brain function to maintain breathing which means she's alive. That should be the issue.. No stupid spinning by either sides! Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 5:31 PM Terri is alive. She breathes on her own. With that said, I don't agree she should be allowed to die unless she decides she wants to die. But asking the government and congress and judges to do something radical, or make a law for one person, is something I cannot agree with. As for judges need to see all the evidence, it's absolutely stupid to suggest that all the judges up to the Supreme Court have a hidden agenda or are corrupt. In addition, it's important to remind ourselves that we are at blogsforterri and some information might be bias, heresay, or straight out fabricated. For example, look at the videos, then look at the spoken words list. There is no way those can coincide. Another point, while there are doctors on both extremes who claim completely different things, usually the collective opinion of the medical community is the best advice. In this respect, WebMD or MedPage will point you to the strong opinion (note.. saying "fact" is just close-minded) is that Terri cannot feel pain. While the parents say she feel pain, it's just spin to get people to help Terri. I'd do the same in their position though. MS's lawyer spun the autopsy thing to make it seem like MS's idea. (I'd like to note to those who thought the Medical Examiner, the laywer, and MS were in cahoots.. Stop with the conspiracy theories!! You sound like extremist wackos. That being said, she still has enough brain function to maintain breathing which means she's alive. That should be the issue.. No stupid spinning by either sides! P.S. Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 5:32 PM Sorry about the double post. I just realized that you have to register to get to the medpagetoday site but it's interesting if you enjoy medicine. They comment on news stories and explain the truth. Each article is peer reviewed by usually an emeritus professor of that speciality. Anyways, just a quick review. Terri feels no pain in her state based on her scans and state. (Yes, new scans might help but if new neurons were formed that quickly for her to start feeling pain, she would be able to talk too.) In addition though, the autopsy will prove nothing. Here's an excerpt: Schiavo Autopsy Will Not Confirm Diagnosis * Patients following news stories about the Schiavo case may have questions about her planned autopsy. Review with these patients the clinical diagnostic criteria for persistent vegetative state and minimally conscious state. * Discuss with patients the decision to request an autopsy and suggest that patients include autopsy instruction in advanced directives. Review "Persistent vegetative state or minimally conscious state is a clinical diagnosis," says Michael De Georgia, MD, head of the neurology/neurosurgery intensive care unit at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation. "It cannot be confirmed by autopsy." Patients in a persistent vegetative state are a subgroup who suffer severe anoxic brain injury and progress to a state of wakefulness without awareness. Michael Schiavo, husband and guardian of Terri Schiavo, and Mary and Bob Schindler, Ms. Schiavo's parents, have been engaged in a contentious public and legal dispute over the decision to remove Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube, but: both want an autopsy and both say the post-mortem exam will provide evidence to finally nail down Ms. Schiavo's diagnosis Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 5:41 PM Check the interview with Dr. Jay Carpenter at foxnews.com Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 5:43 PM It looks like the Judges care more about power than the case at hand. They haven't examined the case for itself, rather have focused on what the Executive branch did, which is an entirely different issue and should be dealt with in another case. The question to them is whether Terri should be fed, they have turned this into exec vs. judicial. Heartless men, I pity the criminals and non-criminals who are fated to seek justice at the hands of these men who have proven they are below human. Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 5:45 PM There are multiple sworn affidavits supporting that Terri responds to stimuli such as pain, there is video of her following a conversation between two people (looking from one to the other as each person speaks), there are top specialists refuting that Terri is PVS, and many many other factors that support Terri having cognitive abilities. Her case has only really been heard once, by a judge who for some unknown reason chose to ignore seemingly all supportive evidence on Terri's parents side. The following appeals have only looked at whether Judge Greer made errors in his judgement BASED ON THE EVIDENCE HE CHOSE TO ACCEPT. This is where the idiocy creeps in. This is NOT justice. What is required is a re-hearing where ALL evidence is considered in a fair and just manner, not by a judge who seemingly finds the life of another human of less value than having to admit his own error in judgement. The latest denial appears by all accounts to be a slap on the wrist for not taking 'no' for an answer the first time. Unfortunately this little ';esson' is costing the life of an innocent human being. That is not justice. I'll repaet what I quoted above: "Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error... They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only... If [free enquiry] be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged." what do you not understand? Posted by: demonsurfer at March 30, 2005 5:47 PM As a mother of a severely disabled daughter, I felt I had to write in regards to Terri Schiavo. My daughter is a quador-spastic CP, and had a feeding tube put in place 1.5 years ago. This was not done as a heroic act, but as to add comfort and safety to her frail life. Life support is a ventilator and is very different from the nutritional tubes. You can go anywhere and everywhere with a feeding tube. People who can walk and talk have them. It has a very real purpose in their lives; to aid nutrition and assurance of the person safety in eating. It’s just another way of food intake. There is really no difference in a g-tube or Insulin. Or a Pacemaker. Or an Artificial Limb. There is a difference between allowing nature to take its course and actively assisting death. Deliberate removal of this G-tube, means to produce a premature death. Indeed this is called “Euthanasia”, that is, unjust killing.
Posted by: Shnev at March 30, 2005 5:58 PM sujata, Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 6:01 PM Shney, Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 6:06 PM Uhmmmm... *If* there was a conversation between Terri and Michael, I highly doubt Terri would specify not wanting to be on a feeding tube, but instead she most likely would say, life support. A feeding tube is NOT life support. Many people have feeding tubes...should we yank all those feeding tubes out and let those people starve to death, too? Posted by: pray4terri at March 30, 2005 6:20 PM it is just scary to think this judge could do all of this just on hearsay from a man who has started a new life with a woman and even has 2 children with this other woman. How is that not a conflict of interest? I would like the judge to explain that to me! Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 6:40 PM The reason Michael Shiavo and his puppet, or the other way around, wouldn't do any testing BEFORE her death is because of what is might have revealed. Therefore, they wanted her dead so when the testing is completed, and Michael has probably left the country, they wouldn't face criminal charges. So no MRI's, no CT Scans, nothing. I hope they have picked someone to do the autopsy who is neutral, honest, and FINALLY credible. Regardless of what they find out, there will always be questions as to what truly happened. Posted by: IMJ at April 1, 2005 5:29 PM    Recent Entries
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I can't believe it, this just can't happen. nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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