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March 30, 2005

Terri Schiavo's Life: For America it's either a new begining or the begining of the end - our choice!

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What the judges and politicians have done through their inaction has disgraced America in the eyes of the world.

In view of today's dark events. a partial re-post is in order - with additional commentary.

All BlogsForTerri bloggers are reminded that BlogsForTerri and the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation intend to join forces in a very aggressive long-term mission to support life, and to defeat the emerging culture of death in America and the judicial system that supports it. Juxtaposed with that effort is a determination to cause the defeat of the Florida Senators that failed her.

BlogsForTerri will continue to be the blogging arm for Terri Schindler Schiavo, and the Terri Schiavo Foundation.
We either make sure that Terri's life gives great meaning to a new day in America, or it will become the begining of the end of respect for human life in America.

The effort is still in the planning stages, but it will be non-partisan and will focus on the sanctity of human life and the defeat of euthanasia by judicial fiat. Liberals and conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, and independents, will be asked to continue to work together as we are doing for Terri, by focusing on the many views that we share in common, and working together to minimize those few views that we have differing opinions on.

We are determinined that Terri's terror will be the rallying cry of a wake-up call for America, and the begining of a coming together of liberals and conservatives in the common cause of supporting life. As has been the case in bringing Terri's plight into the media spotlight, bloggers from all sides of the political spectrum will increase our number, as the powerful force we have already become, in order that we turn back the forces that seek to euthanize the disabled, the elderly, and the unwanted.

Every single politician and judge that runs for office, regardless of political affiliation, who's vote contributed to the murder of Terri Schiavo shall be targeted for defeat in the upcoming election.

Furthermore, we intend to create a tsunami of an outcry for an investigation of Michael Schiavo's abuse of Terri, and the Pinellas County court system that handed him the axe on a silver platter to do it with.

Please be sure that we have everyone's email that is part of the BlogsForTerri movement. We will be increasing the BlogsForTerri blogroll to an even 1,000 blogs - and no more. Requirements for being continued on the blogroll will include the posting of at least one post a day that supports life and/or addresses the problem and dangers of euthanasia. Our collective voice has become quite powerfull is now known world-wide. We owe it to the world to be sure that Terri's life is never forgotten, nor what a corrupt judge with an agenda of death, backed by politicians, did to her.

Posted by richard at March 30, 2005 5:31 PM


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Troll Alert: preach R

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 6:20 PM

Preach, if you cannot see the glow that surrounds Terri then you really have no business at this site, go find another that supports your point of view. We are here to fight for a woman whos basic rights as a human being have been violated. We do not fight to live, we take care of our weak. If you do not see the positive then you will never see it. Terri is beautiful inside and out, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HER BODY IS LIKE, it is her soul that makes her glow. And murdering her is not GOD'S way! That is just ridiculous...

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 6:25 PM

Don't feed the trolls. ;-)

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 6:26 PM

A USELESS, HOPELESS SHELL, you should hope one day then that you do not end up in the same situation. Unless you have instructed your family to dispose of you??

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 6:27 PM

Thanks, Sirena :) I won't give in, as I was about to ...

Posted by: juleni at March 30, 2005 6:33 PM

Juleni, it's just better to type Troll Alert and their name and let the moderator deal with them. They aren't hear to learn the truth -- they are just here to stir up the crap. ;-)

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 6:36 PM

Sirena:

Hard to stir the crap when it's filling their brains.

Posted by: Tress at March 30, 2005 6:43 PM


From what I read today, Terri's part of Florida is rampant with Scientologists, who value Terri's life (and others like her) as much as Preach does.

Guess the Courts are into it too.... and the Bushes.... Maybe that's how we got Souter, lol.

Don't anybody tell me there's nothing more the Bush brothers could have done. Greer ordering Terri not to be fed by mouth was illegal, and without need of execution or respect. They should have treated it as such, arrested Greer and, eventually, taken in Michael too.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 6:46 PM

This was taken from the pre-mature obituary that CBS was going to put out for Terri:

"It's so sad they've turned this wonderful person into a sideshow," Scott Schiavo told the [Washington] Post. "It's such a shame. It really is. The one that's hurt the most here is Terri."

Scott Schiavo is Michael's brother. I LOVED [please note sarcasm] that he says, "The one that's hurt the most here is Terri."

Yes, Schiavo clan... Terri is the most hurt. First for being denied the rehabilitation Michael promised her, having her parents being ostracized, and now, being slowly dehydrated and starved to death by the man who supposedly loves his wife, yet didn't love her enough to divorce her before he started having sex with other women and then fathering two children with his present mistress.

Yes, Terri is the most hurt, and I hope Terri haunts your dreams for the rest of your lives.

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 6:46 PM

Richard, we're with you!

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 6:50 PM

Hey preach--

How the HELL do you know that you will have the right to meet Terri in her glori? You've denied Jesus's will here on Earth--how will you reconcile with Him at your death.

Posted by: Tress at March 30, 2005 6:58 PM

I am so trying to get ahold of judge greer to answer how Michael remains Terri's guardian even though he has started a new life and family with another woman. Long enough to be a common law marriage, how that is not a conflict of interest! I am so curious how he decides that...

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 7:10 PM

taken from RRM web

UNITY.
UNITY.

Not a religion or a cult or a gender;

UNITY.

If they had to stay back
and let us present and try
this case

ON THE NET

They have shown us

HOW POWERFUL WE ARE

UNIFIED in ONE PURPOSE

and a millon voices.

Can we ORGANIZE on the NET

AMEN Richard

PRAY for Terri in the Supreme Court tonight
Pray that their hearts are open and Satan has no place there

Posted by: keeka at March 30, 2005 7:13 PM

Posting this *not* to be negative, but to *help* out instead - some verses that came up in conversation: that those evil men in FL are NOT to be trusted. We can instead 'ask at God's mouth', and 'not trust in the strength of Pharaoh' (like Greer, bad legislators, etc.) or go down to Egypt or to its level!

Keep praying! Terri is Alive tonight! I go home to pray and pray like never before, now.

Isaiah 30:2-5 -

Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!

Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt [your] confusion.

For his princes were at Zoan, and his ambassadors came to Hanes.

They were all ashamed of a people [that] could not profit them, nor be an help nor profit, but a shame, and also a reproach.

Posted by: juleni at March 30, 2005 7:13 PM


Such a waste of time, delphinius, with all due respect. You think a man that's wanted her dead for so long, and has broken the law to order her starvation, is going to let "conflict of interest" bother him?

One of the biggest insults is the media referring to Greer as a Conservative Christian, like saying 'even Christians believe Thou Shall Kill'

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 7:14 PM

I know not everyone here is a believer, but that just fit so well. Keep praying. For some miracle of a reason, Terri is still fighting, and is still alive!

Posted by: juleni at March 30, 2005 7:14 PM

Juleni, WHAT fit so well?

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 7:17 PM

I have every night, prayed for someone down there to see the light, I will stop fighting for Terri because she has shown how bad she wants to live.

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 7:19 PM

Delph,
Judge Greer is NOT the most caring of people. If he was he would have allowed ALL the evidence in this case to be seen. He didn't.

I agree with some -- I feel alot of this information should have come out earlier, but even so, he should have had an open mind and wanted to see everything.

He has a cold heart.

Pray for Terri and the Schindlers...

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 7:19 PM

i will not stop fighting for Terri, sorry typpoo

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 7:20 PM

I'm not saying stop fighting for Terri. But Greer? Like trying to 'get a hold' of Manson.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 7:25 PM

Does anyone else feel this is a game for the judges? For e.g., Greer asking the lawyers to make legal points (anyone involved in the case for soooooooooo long would knwo all the points one way or other) and these 10 sinful men from the appeals court who have talked about exec vs. judicial issues instead of talking about the life at stake. It is all a power game for them or should I say a cat and mouse game.

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 7:28 PM

preach R,

Why don't you start starving today so you too can attain what you want Terri to attain?

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 7:29 PM

We all have to fight in our own ways, I need to understand why this could happen. I havent had any luck and I probably wont but that is just me. I have not stopped calling, e-mails or the faxes,

Posted by: delphinius at March 30, 2005 7:30 PM

I'm going to keep calling the FL Senators and remind them that it's not just about Terri -- it's about the millions of disabled and elderly people who WILL BE NEXT, and they know it.

If you have loved ones retired in Florida, ask them to move out. The word should go out to AARP and other seniors' organizations that Florida "justice" can be fatal.

This isn't over until Terri draws her last breath, and then it still isn't over. Keep praying. Above all, keep praying.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 30, 2005 7:30 PM

It's not a game to them sujata.... they just want everyone else in government to know who's really in control and don't they forget it....

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 7:30 PM

Juleni, thanks for sharing those verses.

Jeremiah 17:5

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD."

Jeremiah 17:7
"But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD , whose confidence is in Him."

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 7:30 PM

I've emailed moderator again about preach R. I'm sure the troll-ish behavior will be thwarted shortly...

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 7:31 PM

Florida Hillsborough County Chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez, Judge Gasper Ficarrotta, and Judge Robert Bonnano were friends and the power center of courthouse politics. The three resigned recently amid ethics investigations and a grand jury investigation which included charges of extramarital courthouse affairs. Judge Bonnano faced questions about a courthouse affair, the sealing of cases, the purchase of a $450,000 home and why he was sneaking around in a vacationing judge’s office, who happened to be a judge who was investigating courthouse misconduct. Judge Ficarrotta reportedly pranced around his chambers in his bailiff’s thong underwear. Judge Ficarrotta’s courthouse paramour, Sheriff’s Deputy Tara Pisano, reported observing a safety deposit box filled with large amounts of cash in Judge Ficarrotta’s private courthouse office in a closet to Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents who found that Judge Ficarrotta got a cell-phone bill reduced, and his grown son’s kidney stones treated as a dependent on his tax-subsidized health insurance policy. Judge Ficarrotta was not charged with any wrongdoing. Chief Judge Alvarez said there are no written rules to forbid judges from having sex at work. Judge Alvarez denied that the investigation surrounding his handling (aka cover-up) of courthouse shenanigans forced his resignation. The grand jury, stated that the public deserves some explanation as to the reasons behind the resignations. The I-quit-and-you-don’t-let-the-dogs-out arrangement between judges and the Judicial Qualifications Commission didn’t sit well with the grand jury. The grand jury pointed out that the JQC is the official investigative body of judicial misconduct and that they operate in secrecy, and should a judge resign prior to being formally charged, the investigation remains secret even if it contains evidence of a crime. “We do not believe that these rules instill confidence in the judiciary or otherwise serve the public well,” a powerless grand jury stated. The three judges will maintain their state-paid pensions and benefits.

Florida Treasure Coast Circuit Judge Scott Kenney was investigated for being intoxicated on the bench, and drinking excessively in public bars.

Florida Hillsborough Circuit Judge Cynthia Holloway was accused of interfering in a child custody case involving a friend’s niece. According to witnesses, Judge Holloway confronted the judge hearing the case and lied about contacting a detective investigating child abuse allegations. Judge Holloway defended her actions as poor judgment.

Florida Pasco-Pinellas County Circuit Judge Charles Cope, was charged with battery, prowling, aggravated trespassing, and peeking into an inhabited dwelling in April of last year while he was attending a judicial seminar in Monterey County, California. Judge Cope who is married with three children, made unexpected and unwanted sexual advances to a woman and tried to enter her motel room without permission. This event marks the second time in five years that Judge Cope has been arrested. Both incidents occurred while he was out of town attending judicial seminars. His first arrest was for a DUI charge, which was eventually dropped. Judge Cope continued to sit on the bench and collect his six figure salary while charges were pending.

Florida Broward County, 17th Judicial Circuit Judge Joyce Julian was found intoxicated, acted in a scandalous manner which included falling down drunk in public areas, being partially unclothed in public areas, and made a false report to law enforcement officers. The incidents occurred on Amelia Island Resort where Judge Julian was attending a judicial conference. The misdemeanor charges were dropped by the state attorney assigned to the case after prosecutors received confirmation that Judge Julian completed a 39-day substance abuse treatment program. No criminal charges will be filed against Judge Julian for making a false police report. Judge Julian’s attorney said, “they were very fair,” about prosecutors decision to drop the charges. In a letter to Chief Judge Dale Ross, Judge Julian said, “I feel I am now equipped with the experience, strength and hope to move forward and resume my judicial responsibilities.” Two months after her arrest Judge Julian was assigned to permanently take over the drug court.

Who knew it was so hard to be a judge?
There you have it. As it stands now, abundant plain references of courthouse corruption look destined to continue unchecked. Even in law, everything is politics, nothing is principle. And judges today don’t simply apply the law, they make the law, setting public policy in place. The danger of judicial decisions focused on promoting judges personal policy objectives from the bench should be clear to all but the intentionally ignorant.
Those who are charged with enforcing and upholding the laws must themselves scrupulously obey the law. They must lead by example. And that example must be based on principles of honesty, integrity, credibility and accountability.
No one is above the law, especially those who are sworn to uphold it. That is, of course, unless you’re a judge??

Posted by: democrat at March 30, 2005 7:31 PM

Sujata, a cat & mouse game indeed it is. Delphinus, Sirena, Keeka, Tress, Dave, Rosalind, bless you.
Rosalind, check your email.

preach R, you are hurting God's name. I will borrow from the words of RD at liberalsforterri for you, so well said:

you will more than likely be on the receiving end of this death cult which will dictate the level of care you will be entitled to. With any luck, you will receive the the same level of expressive compassion you found appropriate to express towards Terri Schindler Schiavo on this blog.

Posted by: juleni at March 30, 2005 7:34 PM

juleni, vengence belongs to the Lord. I want to stand well back, so when it comes, I am nowhere near.

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 7:38 PM

That's true, Dave. I'm sorry. I just gave in. I apologize, preach R, and give you over to God's hands.

Posted by: juleni at March 30, 2005 7:40 PM

Troll Alert: preach R

preach R -- you a friend of the Schiavo's? How is Michael today?

Please spew your lies elsewhere..

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 7:40 PM

What do people think about the idea of renaming the "Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation" to "Terri Schindler Foundation"?

I would not want a foundation with my name in it to be associated with a Murderer.

Posted by: sherry at March 30, 2005 7:41 PM


In my opinion, it SHOULD be named the Terri Schindler Foundation. There was no real marriage from the beginning, looking at the psychological profile done of Michael.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 30, 2005 7:47 PM

Dr. Hammesfahr's patient testimonies are online for all to see (I mean those who have eyes that is).

I agree, I prefer the name to be Terri Schindler Foundation.

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 7:52 PM

preach R sounds like someone who would belong to that New Age thing that Felos has written about.

Anyhow...preach R I will be ignoring your posts from now on since you are a waste of my time.

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 7:54 PM

And preach R, one day if you're ever dehydrated and starved, you too will be meeting your maker.

sheesh.

Troll alert!!!!

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 7:55 PM

The Carter Center, which supports human rights issues, has been curiously silent! Jimmy Carter has been curiously silent. Tough to understand, given his deep Christian beleifs and politicial stance on human rights. Why? Please email the Carter Center and ask them to comment upon events and to intervene! My emails to them have gone unanswered. My prayers remain with Terri and with the soul of former President Carter, who has chosen to remain silent, despite the apolitical response of a wide variety of folks, including Jesse Jackson!

Contact info:

carterweb@emory.edu


Be Nice!

Away from the web, and back to prayer....

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 30, 2005 7:56 PM

preach:

Actually, I envy Terri--she will be with Our Lord and away from this hell on earth. But, it is not our choice to decide when she is supposed to go to Heaven. It is not our choice to decide what makes quality of life.

I know exactly where I am in life. I am suffering with an innocent, beautiful, person while her adulterous husband and the criminal "justice" system starve her to death. I am suffering because I feel that I have somehow failed Terri. I am suffering because I know that my MOST Beloved Lord and Savior is suffering. And it doesn't matter to me if people don't believe in My Savior. I believe in HIM. I believe HE IS SUFFERING because of the evil rampant in this formerly great nation. And because I BELIEVE He is suffering, I suffer. Although I am definitely NOT perfect, I try to do what I BELIEVE Jesus wants; what I BELIEVE is right. And when every TRUTH meets defeat, I suffer.

Oh yeah, "preachr" I love how you can quote the Bible....Satan has it memorized too.

Posted by: Tress at March 30, 2005 8:07 PM

democrat,

You have your stuff together. I've not seen one of your comments that wasn't correct. I liken this whole thing to a barrel of apples. In FL the rot must have started earlier, or had some condition which hastened the process, because it would seem to be more seriously and thoroughly rotten than many places.

Dave,

Boy, do you know your Bible--or did you spend time tracking that down.

Rosalind,

Juleni was speaking about Isaiah 30:2-5 fitting this situation. My Bible reads slightly different from Juleni's. "...who walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth, hoping for help in the strength of Pharao and trusting in the shadow of Egypt! And the strength of Egypt shall be your confusion, and the confidence of the shadow of Egypt to your shame. For thy princes were in Tanis and your messengers came even to Hanes. They were all confounded at a people that could not profit them; they were no help, nor to any profit, but to confusion and to reproach."

Going to gov. officials and courts have not only profited us nothing, but have also given our adversaries the ability to reproach us with our losses (unworthy cause). There's more, but you don't need me to interpret.

One thing I do want to add to this, though, is that this is a spiritual fight; this is satan we are fighting. We are asking fallen man to fight a fallen angel for us. It's not impossible, but it would have to be a man like David (and Goliath) who was thoroughly backed by God, and in the end it would really be God who saved us, not the man. A man can't do this, for a man it IS impossible.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 30, 2005 8:10 PM

In an effort to start a conversation since no new news has come out, what's everyones opinion on the future of this country in the next 50 years should Terri pass away? (Please, no "God will throw fire and lightning etc.." while it might be what you believe, the Holocaust didn't cause an Armeggedon so therefore I don't believe this event will be Armeggedon either.) Logical predictions only.

Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 8:14 PM

I think our whole purpose here is to fight for Terri, not ponder the world in 50 years.

Pray people... and continue to call, and email. It's not over 'til it's over.

Posted by: Sirena at March 30, 2005 8:20 PM

Maybe Terri will finally have a
Voice the Supreme Court will hear.
Maybe they will admit to each other,
They should take a more open mind
to make certain the Spirit of the Law
has been completely followed.
Maybe they would do well to remember,
they would want as many times in
front of a Supreme Court as it took,
if it were their lives at stake.
In Colorado the Supreme Court ruled
their lower court had omitted ONE WORD,
in the instructions to the jury.
They overturned the ruling by that lower court.
It was on a murder trial.
Terri is Alive

Posted by: lynaqua at March 30, 2005 8:27 PM

The Carter Center has been quiet. Why? They support "human rights". Jimmy Carter is a Christian! Where is his voice? Why is he silent?

I've tried to email them, but not even the courtesy of a response. "A voice crying in the wilderness" ???

Please email them and have them weigh in as friend or foe.

Even Jesse Jackson has drawn the "line in the sand"

email:

carterweb@emory.edu

If anyone knows former President Carter's email, please post it.

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 30, 2005 8:27 PM

CriticalThinker, I can think of one thing: I don't know how old you are, but I'm 43, which means that in 50 years I'll be 93 and utterly at the mercy of the authorities, since my husband is older than I am and I have no children to fight for my life. I will have lived to see a world where only perfect people walk the streets, and parents' pleas to be allowed to keep their slightly blemished children will be wittily mocked by the sophisticated and pitilessly denied by the health technicians.

But that future hasn't happened yet. Support the effort to impeach Greer. Put the lawmakers on notice that they will be voted out of office for their part in this murder. Above all, pray for Terri.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 30, 2005 8:30 PM

2 Peter 2:10-11 : "This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord."

What is this all about? Well, I am assured that we are in a spiritual battle, without doubt. This has many of the earmarks of it, IMO, including the absolute refusal of earthly authorities (Judges, legislators, etc.) to follow either God's laws, or even those of the State of Florida. So many things defy reason --- an indicator of things hidden in darkness, at least to me.
And yes, it causes an indignation to rise up in me; please don't think that I watch from some pillar of passionless detachment. I don't. I look at Terri like I would view my little sister, and both pray and grieve for her frequently. And for the many that will follow, if this evil is not stopped.

My simple word of caution though; in fighting this fight, we need to submit ourselves as believers to the authority of God. Period. If we start doing things like Peter mentions "slandering celestial beings", ie; Satan and his demons, we may find out the hard way what Peter writes : "yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful..."

Many that foolishly think that they are "up to" the task of taking down the enemy, have found out the hard way that they're out of God's order. I have seen far more defeat of the enemy by the exaltation of Jesus, and drawing near to him, than I ever have in people "cursing the devil".

John Paul Jackson's book "Needless Casualties of War" in an excellent & detailed account of the right and wrong way to go about spiritual warfare.
If you have any doubts, please give it a read.

Dave

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 8:31 PM

Dave,
Good comment.

Posted by: CriticalThinker at March 30, 2005 8:39 PM

Oh, thank you mary!
Unfortunately, the stinking rot is throughout our country's court system. I only posted some of the material for Florida. I assure you the conditions are the same across the nation. The problem with the judiciary is the lack of accountability. When judges break the law no one does anything. Why, there is only one prosecutor in the entire country who is taking corrupt judges to task. He represents one county in New York. He grew up watching court corruption first hand in his parents divorce case. The reason why prosecutors and attorneys general are not doing anything is because these people are all friends. They are friends. They work together and they go on vacation together, drink and eat together, etc., and these relationships are more important to them than anything else, more important even than justice.

Judicial conduct commissions are not designed or empowered to bring criminal charges against errant judges, in fact, these commissions have actually enacted rules directing members to cover up judicial crime by not reporting it to law enforcement. I call it a protection racket.

The failure of Judicial Conduct Commissions to promote the proper administration of justice, by focusing efforts instead on ignoring, excusing, concealing and improperly labeling judicial crimes “misconduct,” has confounded grand juries, law enforcement and government officials. These agencies and officials who are authorized to investigate and take action against judges who violate the law act as if no judicial act constitutes a criminal violation of the law and that even if a judicial act does criminally violate the law only a Commission can make that determination. This attitude is contrary to settled law, yet has allowed judges to attack the very core of public safety through unchecked and unauthorized tampering with public policy through private court actions. The abandonment of the intended duty to protect the public from errant judicial officers--allowing judges who put their personal policy objectives above the laws of the States and the United States because they can get away with it without risk to their position on the public payroll--is evidence of what little regard the Commissions have for the safety, protection, rights and public funds of American citizens.

Posted by: democrat at March 30, 2005 8:41 PM

so what are we doing for the 9 p.m. EST (6 p.m. PST) prayer? Are we getting to http://thelife.com/chat

I am not sure what was decided? are we going for individual prayers or gather at the chat?

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 8:44 PM

Believers, here are a few things to ponder; if we are to be effective and used by the Lord in this struggle, we need to put away all forms of unrighteousness, and submit ourselves fully to His authority. That means putting away speaking evil of ANYone, slander, false accusations, bitterness, judgement, etc. These things will hamstring us and make us innefective. They rob us of true intimacy with our God, and make whatever we do "tainted". It's extremely tempting to let the events of the day, and the frustrations that we all feel to leave us with garbage in our souls, BUT ... if we leave it there, we become dirty vessels, not useful to Him. It's a choice ....

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 8:49 PM

For Terri's sake (and for our own) let's strive to remain clean. Thanks Dave.

Posted by: sujata at March 30, 2005 8:51 PM

Three possible reasons for suffering

Those who have endured stinging experiences are the choicest counselors the Lord our God can use. This is one of the reasons we suffer: to be prepared to bring encouragement and comfort to others who come across our path enduring similar circumstances.

God is using your suffering as a witness that He can do anything, for He “is able to raise men even from the dead.” (Hebrews 11:17-19) “For I know the plans that I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.” (Jeremiah 29:11) If Abraham trusted Him with the life of his beloved child, you can trust Him, too.

God wants us to learn to see Him in all things. What might happen in your life if you started to praise God for your pain? When you cry out to Him in prayer, tell Him how grateful you are for the crushing blows you suffer. In your own way express how very thankful you are that He has selected you out of millions to share in the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings, and, like Christ, to learn from the things you suffer. You will be a rare, refined person if you respond to suffering in this manner, child of God.

Remember that Job said, “Why should I take my flesh in my teeth, and put my life in my hands? Though He slay me, I will hope in Him.” (Job 13:14-15) If Job could lift his face and say that to God, so can you.

Posted by: democrat at March 30, 2005 8:52 PM

Well said, DaveMN. The fact is that we're all broken-hearted and lashing out in rage. Understandable, and something that has to be gone through, but ultimately not productive.

Democrat, you have given me much food for thought and prayer.

Speaking of prayer, it's nearly 6:00. I won't be able to be in the chat room, as I will be on the road, but these days I pray continuously for Terri whenever I'm driving.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 30, 2005 8:57 PM

Praying for Terri - this seemed appropriate:

2 Chr. 14:11 ..."Lord, there is no one besides Thee to help in the battle between the powerful and those who have no strength; so help us, O Lord our God, for we trust in Thee, and in Thy name have come against this multitude. O Lord, Thou art our God; let not man prevail against Thee."

Posted by: Gail at March 30, 2005 9:23 PM

We must reward her family's witness and see to it that Terri's Passion is not in vain. Keep the faith everyone. We have work to do.

Posted by: Kevin at March 30, 2005 9:24 PM

What is happening to Terri is nothing less than Judicial homicide.I urge everyone to read everything they can about George Felos too...it's frightening.
my blog site is www.christmasghost.com

Anything I can do to help please let me know. I am praying for Terri.

Posted by: christmasghost at March 30, 2005 9:24 PM

Dave:

I contend that it is perfectly OK to identify the actions as evil...

I spoke to my priest last week. He said to me, that what is happening in Florida is EVIL. Pure and simple. But, we MUST pray for those who advocate and support the evil; we MUST pray for them to convert...Jesus suffered a horrendous torture because He loves us all. And among His final words were the phrase which I have been praying throughout this ordeal, "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do."

Although I will contend that michael's actions and greer's actions and feel-less' actions are evil and they should suffer consequences, I have no right or authority to pass judgement on the individual and insist that the person is evil. We all have until our deaths to convert, only at that time will one be judged as "rightous" or "evil".

Posted by: Tress at March 30, 2005 9:44 PM

Praise God and thank you guys. You're on the right path. Follow Jesus through Gethsemene, up Calvary, and on into the tomb, if that is required, but follow Jesus to the resurrection.

For those who can accept it, follow Him even unto places your hopes only in the Father and not in flesh--yours or anyone elses. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Then knock, seek, ask. As I said before, when my feelings are very strong about something I have to back up and push, so to speak. I ask God for the will to forgive because the best I can come up with is the will to will to forgive.

However, this thing goes, it will not be a sinecure. This will be tough. Jesus walked a very hard path and if you can't even do the simple things Dave and Democrat and Tress and Juleni have outlined, how can you ever climb Calvary?

God bless you all.

Dave, now I know what you meant about Peter. Thanks.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 30, 2005 10:23 PM

Tress, I have no contention with you. I think that by this time, it is well-recognized that what has happened to Terri is evil, and a flavor of evil of which we have not recently witnessed in America.

My point was that we should be careful of our words, so as not to defile ourselves (By criticising, judging, grumbling, or the like), and thereby become of limited use to the Lord. He desires and will use pure, Holy vessels.

If not for the grace of God, I would be the same as the worst of these men. It's the truth!

"What comes out of his mouth, this defiles a man." (Matt. 15:11)

I pray that I speak evil of no man. (Titus 3:2)

Hope this makes sense,

Dave

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 10:25 PM

Sorry, just one last thing. The grace, mercy, and forgiveness that God touched my life with had a power that changed me from the inside out. Many of you have experienced the same, and you know it.

Is it our priviledge to withhold that same mercy and forgiveness from Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer, and George Felos (And others)? Or is it our responsibility to pray that God would extend the same to them as He has to us?

I'll answer it for me : I have no choice ... my sins might not appear as "black" in your eyes as theirs do, but in the Lords eyes they were. Go figure what my prayer is for these men.

What's yours?

G'nite all,
Dave

Posted by: Dave_MN at March 30, 2005 10:46 PM

I just got back from church-I was there at 6:00 pacific time and prayed with my dear friend. I have a comment on the next 50 years-I have said it before and I will say it again. Making Terri die is the biggest victory for prochoicers since Roe vs. Wade-yes I said making Terri die. This will set precident for years to come-we are talking embryonic stem cell research-cloning-genetic atlering(you know what I mean) I am very concerned that 50 years from now we will live in a society where my future grandchildren will be allowed to survive in their mothers womb only if they are deemed genetically acceptaple to the powers that be-otherwise-nope-we do not have the room for you.

Posted by: alwayschooselife at March 31, 2005 1:10 AM

Please pray to Blessed Theresa of Calcutta (Mother Theresa 1910-1997) for her intercession with another Theresa - Terri Schiavo. One miracle has already been attributed to the intercession of Blessed Theresa of Calcutta. She miraculously cured a woman with cancer (who was not even Christian). I've been told that if one more miracle can be attributed to the intercession of Blessed Theresa of Calcutta, after proper investigation, she can be canonized. Pray for a total miracle and healing of Terri Schiavo so that she can live and does not even NEED a feeding tube to eat or drink. Please pray to Blessed Theresa of Calcutta for her intercession.

Posted by: cw at March 31, 2005 1:19 AM

Mary (re: 3/30 7:30 pm post), good ideas. As someone suggested in a response in my blog, we should also inform the various tourist attractions (DisneyWorld, Universal Studios, etc.) that we will be urging anyone planning to go there to visit another state. In my opinion, with judges like these (along with an Executive Branch, which IN MY OPINION, is nothing more than a puppet of the Judicial Branch), Florida simply is NOT safe. In my opinion, there are NO checks and balances on the Judicial Branch. Yes, people can elect these individuals. But look at the checks and balances between the Executive and Legislative Branch. There are more checks and balances on those branches than just elections. With the Judicial Branch, it seems the ONLY check is election. After that, in my opinion, they can do whatever they please for the rest of the term. (Obviously, they risk a reelection defeat, but the power of incumbency is great.)

Posted by: cw at March 31, 2005 1:26 AM

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Dear Terri, We have never met but I feel like I have known you for many years. You have become afamiliar name in family prayers and a face of hope in times of trials. We have laughed with you, cried with you, yelled with you, and fought beside you in your struggle to survive. You are an amazing person. Many times in the last few days I have asked God why he would allow this to happen and why he has not stopped it as of yet. I can only think that he knows something we do not. I imagine him watching the face of the enemy beaming. I know God is cyring, but is pleased with the glory that is being brought to his name by the few faithful that continue to fight for you. Your parents are doing a wonderful job of showing the world how people of faith handle grief during a horrible crisis-you would be proud of them. Terri if you do decide to close your eyes and take His hand may you find peace as you pass on into eternity. Your body and your mind will be restored. You will be even more beautiful than you are now. Please say hi to God for us and ask him to forgive us for what we have done to you. He will clothe you in robes of his own and we will hear you laugh again when we meet you for the first time in heaven. God bless you Terri. You have taught me more about life through your process of dying in the last week than I have learned in all of my thirty one years.

Posted by: alwayschooselife at March 31, 2005 1:30 AM

critical thinker - as for the next 50 years - I think we will see a push now to legalize across the country physician assisted suicide (look how poor Terri hung on, we wouldn't do it to a dog type logic). Funny as she supposedly feels no pain. This will be sold (and unfortunately seen by most in my opinion) as compassion. Also, there is now precedent that someone whose cognitive abilities are diminished can be killed based on the judgments of others whose only interest is in $$$. Precedent again is the idea that a judge can order that a person not be fed by mouth, even if there is a chance they can accept nutrition by mouth. That even the most paliative care (putting ice chips in a parched mouth) was denied is very frightening for me. My sister has Down's Syndrome, and I had to reassure my mother that we would not let this happen to her. A very scary world faces us. Of course, we are not alone in this struggle. This is His Passion, played out before us as had been said many times on these blogs. Like the fight against abortion, this will be long and bloody, and we certainly know that it is a battle fought on many fronts.

cw thank you for the suggestion to ask the intercession of Blessed Theresa of Calcutta. Wonderful and I had not thought of that. I said a prayer right away.

What to do now? it seems so overwhelming. Maybe we can start a place where it would be totally safe for someone in Terri's condition, where food and water would never be denied to someone who can't feed themselves. Maybe we can call it Terri's House or something.

As far as the blogs go, I am very new to this whole thing and I'm not sure I understand what will eventually happen to the blogs and who will be able to have access. If anyone can explain I would appreciate it. It is very difficult for me to be here every day. I have rambled on long enough.

Posted by: CeCe at March 31, 2005 8:34 AM

I hope terri's fight is resolved. No human deserves this. If we were to negelect an animal, the human society would slap us in jail, fine us and think twice about it.

Why should this be any different? She is a living human being. More precious than any other species on this planet.

Posted by: Eyeman85 at March 31, 2005 8:46 AM

I hope terri's fight is resolved. No human deserves this. If we were to negelect an animal, the human society would slap us in jail, fine us and think twice about it.

Why should this be any different? She is a living human being. More precious than any other species on this planet.

Posted by: Eyeman85 at March 31, 2005 8:47 AM

In case you haven't heard - NBC has just reported that Terry Shindler has passed away. I verified on Fox news. I pray for her family and everyone who has supported her fight during this struggle. As I sit here in tears, I feel I should pray for those of us trying to make sense of this world:

Dear Lord, I pray for those of us in pain over the Murder of one of your innocents. We find ourselves still hurting over this death and unsure of our next step. We know that You have a higher purpose in this matter and we pray for Your will to be accomplished.
Lord, while we struggle for understanding, please help us to remember that Terri is now with You, and she feels no pain any more. We pray that justice would be done in this case, Lord. It is our fervent prayer.
Thank you for your comfort in all Lord, in Jesus' name, amen.

Posted by: Moody-Mom at March 31, 2005 10:13 AM

I need some assistance - I am having a conversation with someone who says that she has read in several places and heard on the radio about lots of things that cast the Shindlers in a really bad light. She says she heard about clsoe to $6million that has been donated to the family and has heard about and about them selling a list of supporters to other places. She has such a different view of this case and I dont' understand how. She is trying to findme specific links - but in the meantime can someone help me find out more about what she's heard about and thefacts surrounding those allegations? Please? This is a good friend and I want to help her see the truth in this matter.
Thanks and you can email me directly at jbakmoody at yahoo dot com
Moody_mom

Posted by: Moody-Mom at March 31, 2005 11:52 AM

I am syndicating the following article throughout the web and would like your voices to join mine still seeking justice for Terri and her family after her death. Thank you.

*******************Article***********************
Merciless Death: Terri's Saga.

By Soulful-Writer

Terri's husband once again showed the magnitude of his cruelty when he denied her parents' and sibling's request to be by her side until her last breath. This man must be made accountable for his cruel and inhumane actions towards Terri and her family. There is absolutely no excuse for his attitude and behavior. His cruelty towards Terri and her blood relatives is unforgivable and unforgettable. Terri's story must not end here. Her husband, assisted by our judicial system, condemned her to a most horrendous death forcing her to die of starvation and thirst. That act alone was of the outmost cruelty and evidence of his absolute lack of compassion and affection for his wife.

Even if Terri would have preferred to die than to be kept alive artificially, there was no need to subject her to such a cruel way to die. She agonized for almost two weeks bearing the pain of starvation and thirst. Certainly, it would have been more humane to have induced her into a comma so she would not have felt what she must have felt during those final days.

Michael Schiavo has gotten away with this cruel murder with the blessings of the courts. He is certainly a monster. How much longer is our judicial system going to condone monsters like him in the name of our Constitution? How could the courts be so blind to the blatant abuse this man inflicted on his wife not just during these past few weeks but, at least since she became brain damaged? How could the courts completely ignore the pleas of her loving parents and deny them the right to protect their daughter from this man's cruelty? The courts allowed this man to violate Terri's human and constitutional rights with impunity. He and his attorney successfully turned the media and court's attention to a political issue, the right to life, when in fact this was a clear case of domestic abuse.

Michael Schiavo's actions against Terri's blood relatives even in Terri's final moments only confirm the extent of this man's need for absolute control over Terri and all matters pertaining to her. Domestic abuse is about power and control, Michael Schiavo is a classic example of the heartlessness and arrogance prevalent in abusers. Terri endured almost 14 days of excruciating pain and silent despair as her body withered away. Her stamina allowed her to survive against the odds as if, in doing so, she was letting the world know that her husband was lying and she did not want to die this way.

Don't let her death and suffering be in vain. Write to your Congressman and demand an investigation into the cause of her condition and her husband's actions throughout her ordeal. We must not allow another human being to be condemned to such a horrible death by anyone, not even a spouse or the courts, ever again!

Posted by: soulfulwriter at March 31, 2005 1:37 PM

As an attorney, I must say sadly there are many, many things that need to be done to keep this atrocity from happening again. Now that the Michael Schiavos of this world (yes, there are more of them out there) have a "precedent" they can use in court, you can be sure that more and more cases like Terri Schiavo's will be sought out by the euthanasia lawyers, and they will try, case by case, by the litigation process, to expand this "right to die."

There needs to be, first of all, a network of attorneys who will be prepared to handle the necessary litigation for family members like the Schindlers who are often blind-sided by right-to -die lawyers like George Felos.

But sadly, with the judiciary in the state it is in, that is only the beginning of the work that needs to be done.

Posted by: J. at March 31, 2005 3:14 PM