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March 22, 2005

Terri Schiavo Bone Scan (Updated)

Topics: Medical Issues

Crystal Clear has posted on Terri Schiavo's Bone Scan from 9/91 - SUPRESSED BY MICHAEL Schiavo, found years later, & NEVER INVESTIGATED.

Update 1 (Hyscience's favorite Medblog): CSI MEDBLOGS: CODEBLUEBLOG ANALYZES TERRI SCHIAVO'S STARTLING BONE SCAN

The significance of the bone scan report is that Teri has no known history of trauma, unless it occurred while living with Michael.

(snipets of the report)

...There are an extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide accumulation of intense type. These include, multiple bilateral ribs, the costovestebral aspects of several of the thoracic vestebral bodies, the L1 vestebral body, both sacrolliac joints, the distal right femoral diaphysis, both knees, and both ankles, right greater than left.

... Correlative radiographs are obtained of the lumber spine and of the right femur which reveal compression fracture, minor, superior end plate of L1 and shaggy irregular periosteal ossification along the distal femoral diaphysis and metaphysis primarily ventrally. The patient has a history of trauma, most likely the femoral periosteal reaction reflects a response to a subperiosteal hemorrhage and the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression fracture which is presumably traumatic.

... The presumption is that the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma...

(Source) Bone scan on Terri Schiavo March 5, 1991 - not discovered until 2002, then took time to work through and begin further testimony!

UPDATE 2: DON'T FORGET TO READ THE POST ON TERRI'S CAT SCAN!

Hat tip - Crystal Clear

Cross posted at Hyscience

Posted by richard at March 22, 2005 6:51 PM


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"Doctors have said Terri Schiavo could survive one to two weeks without water and nutrients."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=605133&page=2
(from page 2 of the news item)

This same statement is in many reports in the media; I think it creates a false sense of Theresa Marie's situation--well and good if one is already healthy.

I'm VERY concerned the people who have the power to intervene and or do something legally may be thinking they have more time than they actually do. It would be nice to get some medical best-guesses on her particular situation in order to properly inform all.

When making Terri's case--remember--soft words break bones.

It may already close to or be the eleventh hour for Terri!

Posted by: Resume Feeding! at March 22, 2005 7:11 PM

There were reports that Terri may have suffered an infection from the way the feeding tubes were removed, in a manner that did not follow standard safety procedures. She was supposed to have been suffering from fever as early as within 24 hours of the removal.

Posted by: Jeff Tan at March 22, 2005 7:18 PM

I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't hear it mentioned. Has anyone considered that Terri's husband may have contributed to her current condition? From the few things I have read, he certainly fits with many domestic abuse type personalities. He sounds very controlling while she was alive. Perhaps she was planning on leaving him or who knows what and suddenly she's in a coma. I really hope the "powers that be" have thoroughly investigated his role in this before they put an end to Terri's life.

Posted by: MJones at March 22, 2005 7:21 PM

Jeff, I think that rumor was debunked by none other than our own Sherri. Still, the last AP report said that Terri was "fading".

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 7:21 PM

Again, one needs to ask, is there no longer any separation between church and state? We need to remember that we are not God and can, therefore, not make decisions for him/her. I am confident that she will rest in heaven despite the court outcome (perhaps, if the tube is reinserted, in SPITE of it).

a concerned catholic

Posted by: agnieska at March 22, 2005 7:22 PM

Any Catholic who supports starving Terri to death should be excommunicated immediately. It's a disgrace - A DISGRACE.

Posted by: JWL at March 22, 2005 7:27 PM

In the bone scan report the doctor states the patient has a history of trauma, what is he talking about? Had there been other incidents previous to this? Not to sound stupid, I was just curious,

Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 7:32 PM

This is all good and great, but why wasn't it brought to light before? This woman is in front of us, *dying* and the only people who have actual power and authority to do something are doing *nothing*.

I'm beside myself with fury.

Posted by: mo at March 22, 2005 7:34 PM

Okay, I'll try to answer the religious argument in religious terms:
Terri's soul is not in jeopardy. When she dies, whenever that may be, God surely has a place for her in Heaven.
The souls that are in jeopardy are our own. Jesus said, "Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to Me." Catholic doctrine -- correct me if I'm wrong -- holds that human life and the human body are sacred, because God created them. Therefore, we are not supposed to harm our own bodies or those of others. Starving someone does harm to her body. The fasters who have abstained from food and drink since Terri's tube was pulled know this from their own experience.
There's also the Old Testament: "Thou shalt do no murder." The only instances of ethical killing in the Bible are in war or in cases of murder: "A life for a life". Neither case applies to Terri.
Terri's body is not dead. Neither is her brain. Therefore we may not ethically kill her.

Hope this helps! I have other arguments from law and logic for those who are not religious. They all come down to the same thing: There is no way that Terri may be killed righteously or lawfully.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 7:37 PM

MJones

BINGO !
These are the sentiments of those of us who have studied the case and have seen all the information. Most convincing evidence
1) Bonescan with 13 fractures AND the radiologists report-compeling
2) Nurses' ( 4 in all I believe from various nursing homes)
3)Dr Hammesfahr's case study and evaluation report
(Audios...radio interviews
www.Highway2Health.net and www.Hannity.com)
4) Study the timeline of events on Terrisfight.org

There is enough here i believe for a legitimate Criminal investigation.

Posted by: JoMarley at March 22, 2005 7:41 PM

I mentioned this in an earler comment but I thought this link was very informative so I hope it bears repeating. I wanted as many people as possible to get a look at it.

It's a blog of a doctor (neurologist) who's looked at Terri's CAT scan. He's appalled at the conclusions the court has been told about the scan. There are also lots of comments by other doctors in the comments section. Yours truely mentioned (near the bottom of the comments) the florida guardianship issues that appear to be plaguing the state. Since I've already mentioned it there, I won't repeat it here. But since the comments are already so long there, maybe we'd be interested in discussing it here?? Here's the link

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

Posted by: Ceci at March 22, 2005 7:42 PM

Mary, good posting.

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 7:42 PM

I also mentioned this in another comment, but I repeat it here since that thead is getting pretty low on the page. I hope I'm not buggin anyone by doing this.

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There's no reason to not have done a PET and/or MRI, unless the court *wants* to drag a case out for years. Why continue to chase your tail when there are methodologies that can answer the question definitively? More money was spent paying lawyers than it would have cost to have gotten an MRI and PET scan. Hmmmmm, makes ya wonder doesn't it.

The state of Florida has some intense guardianship capabilites. If a court declares you incompetant, they will appoint a guardian for you, perhaps even against your families wishes. Once done, I can't find any evidence that the state of Florida will allow a guardian to be challenged or removed.

Here's a site devoted to Florida's guardianship law.

http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=4&Itemid=2

Take a look at the other links on that site. One describes how an elderly woman was milked out of over 300,000 dollars and slowly starved to death over about a year by her guardian. The woman complained to all who would hear that her guardian was stealing her money and not feeding her enough, but the courts didn't listen.

Is it possible, that once Michael got the malpractice award, someone convinced him of Terri's "PVS" and started the process to setting Terri up to be robbed? Using Michaels agression and lack of knowledge, they made him combative and Felos get's to reap the benifit in constant court fees to the tune of 500K dollars or more. The site above implies a collusion in Florida between lawyers and judges to milk elderly or incompetant patients out of their money by using guardianship tactics to do so.

Just a thought.....and it might be a bit fringe. .....dons tin foil hat..... But the theory explains why the killing of Terri seems like it's going to stick this time. The court sees no reason to intervene because the malpractice money is gone.

Posted by: Ceci at March 22, 2005 7:44 PM

Of course there is reason for a criminal investigation, but NO ONE is doing anything... not the Sheriff, not the State Attorney, not anyone. It's so frustrating I could scream!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 7:44 PM

Cece,
Send that link to to Contact Us link on the site. I did earlier, but maybe they didn't get it yet :)

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 7:44 PM

Thanks, Sirena!

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 7:45 PM

Ceci,

The malpractice money is not ALL gone. I wouldn't doubt it Michael invested it somewhere is is making more money off what should have been used for Terri's rehabilitation. It's so sad. Just think of where she'd be now if she actually had constant rehabilitation 13 years ago... it tans my hide!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 7:46 PM

There's been a lot of advances in medicine since Terri has had this unfortunate incident.

Yet Michael Schiavo has been determined that she die.

Chilling.

Yet, Scott Peterson is in jail for murdering his wife Laci, and he was also having an affair.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 7:52 PM

Ruth, as I said before, I see not much difference between Michael Schiavo and Scott Peterson. Scott got caught, and Michael is still trying to kill his wife.

This world is going to hell in a handbasket. :-(

Who else can we call and get the word out to?!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 7:54 PM

I cannot help but wonder if this assult on our Catholic faith has something to do with this area - Clearwater, Florida.

Is it not true that the founder of the scientology cult had a stated objective of the elimination of the Catholicism?

I heard the cult's founder in a 1960s speach say that Jesus abused children (actually what I heard was much more sick - I've toned it down a bit).

Is it not true that the cult's founder stated and wrote a number of times in many books that disabled people are a worthless burden and should be euthanized? This is Terri - she's only disabled and has been denied therapy for almost fifteen years!

Is it not true that George Greer has made al least dozens of rulings in favor of this cult including rulings favoring the death (by deyhdration) of another young woman named Lisa?

Is it not true that certain members of the Florida house and senate - members who voted against Terri - have been seen attending functions of this cult?

Is it not true that what we're seeing here is the judicial system sticking it's nose into people's lives (like Terri), and in a total assult on their Freedom of Religion, telling them when they're going to die?

Is it not also true that the members of the county sheriff's office is blatently involved in this attack on our religion - even interfering with web sites like blogsforterri.com and placing bets on when Terri might pass on? And that some of them are in the cult?

Should not this entire area area be investigated?

Posted by: Ann Brown at March 22, 2005 8:04 PM

Anyone who can get to a fax machine, or wants to try sending electronic faxes (see http://www.savetz.com/fax/ for how to send a fax via the Internet), I think that might be the best way now, when it's after regular business hours in Florida.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 8:06 PM

BTW, in the snippet of the report, "vestebral" should be "vertebral" and "sacrolliac" should be "sacroiliac". Best to get the medical terminology precise, especially if faxing to legislators and mainstream media.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 8:08 PM

Is this bone scan info. getting out to anyone that can *do* something?

Posted by: mo at March 22, 2005 8:08 PM

Mary,

Thank you for that fax information. I can't use my work fax for personal use. So that is wonderful info. Thank you!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 8:09 PM

Someone needs to get local businesses to sponsor a sign contest for kids. Make up a summary sheet for interested teachers to read to the children, and have the signs displayed and the winners' signs remade larger and prominently displayed in front of the hospice, both courthouses, and the local point for the Pinnelas Deputies.

Posted by: Jhn1 at March 22, 2005 8:16 PM

Awwww.. how cute, another troll just popped in...

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 8:17 PM

to Michael's trolls - pass this on to Mikey:

We'll be watching you from now on.

Someday, you'll make another mistake & we'll have it recorded.

Don't worry, we won't hurt you. We'll just make sure your next big mistake gets all the exposure it deserves.

We are praying that you don't hurt your new wife and kids.

Someday, you will face final judgement and it will not be of this world. I would not trade places with you for all of the wealth in the universe.

Posted by: warders at March 22, 2005 8:19 PM

Hannity had a nurse on his radio show today who took care of Terri for almost two years. She had some very disturbing information about Michael giving Terri insulin shots to try to send her into a coma. This nurse gave sworn testimony years ago and she was under a gag order until now. She made claims that were horrible about the treatment of Terri from Michael. Does anyone know if the feds are looking into these accusations? I would think between this and the bone scan information, there still may be hope. Keep the prayers coming. I know He is listening.

Posted by: Sandy at March 22, 2005 8:19 PM

Mary - thanks for this link
http://www.savetz.com/fax/
it's very informative and very useful in this fight for our religion.

Posted by: Ann Brown at March 22, 2005 8:26 PM

Mary - thanks for this link
http://www.savetz.com/fax/
it's very informative and very useful in this fight for our religion.

I will try to look up some fax numbers for our reps and senators so we can send them real paper letters by fax.

Sending real letters to help Terri is vital and fax is the best way to go because we just can't wait for "snail mail."

I have a scanner but no fax, so I needed your link.

Thanks again.

Posted by: Ann Brown at March 22, 2005 8:30 PM

What they are doing to Terri is similar to what the they did to concentration camp victims at Auschwitz... they also starved those they deemed "unworthy".

Terri, we're still fighting for you!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 8:30 PM

Let us all pray that our health decisions do not become a matter of the courts. Terri, you are in my prayers

Posted by: madam9851 at March 22, 2005 8:42 PM

I must correct the misinformation about Lisa McPherson. I have been reading up on her case so I do know some of the issues involved.

1. Lisa was a member of the cult of Scientology for 18 years of her 36 years of life. She moved to Clearwater as a part of the organization.

2. It appears that Lisa had finally woken up about the cult and had tried to get away. She was involved in a minor car accident and she stripped herself naked pleading for help.

3. Lisa was taken to hospital and was to be admitted for a psychiatric evaluation. However, members of the cult turned up and she had to go with them. They took her to the Fort Harrison hotel.

4. Lisa was kept in a room in that hotel for something like 10 days, until she was rushed to a hospital as she lay dying from starvation and dehydration.

This is a rather potted history of the whole story surrounding Lisa's death. George Greer had nothing at all to do with Lisa's death. He did not order her to die, neither did he have any contact with her.

That does not mean that George Greer has not been doing the work of Scientology in his decision making within the Schiavo case.

The similarities in the two cases happens to be the fact that in both cases the women are being viewed as useless. Within Scientology if one has a breakdown in the same way as Lisa then that person has failed to get rid of the thetans or whatever they are supposed to get rid of to become clear. She was imprisoned in Fort Harrison so that she would be taught a lesson (it has a name which I forget for the time being). Lisa was starved to death, but the Scientologists claim that she refused to eat and drink. What they do not tell is that from the point of view of L Ron Hubbard, Lisa had become a target because she had tried to leave the organization, and that she was considered as a non-person because of her mental illness.

In Scientology, Terri is seen as not being alive, as "something that wants to escape the body" (words to that effect). The words uttered by George Felos and Michael Schiavo are a chilling reminder of how Scientology views those who are disabled. They see them as non-person, as dead people. That is why amongst scientologists you will hear the mantra about a person who might be PVS as being "dead", according to their definition of death.

Posted by: Maggie at March 22, 2005 9:02 PM

Maggie thank you for posting that stuff about Lisa MacPherson and Scientology.

Creepy stuff indeed.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:13 PM

I have just read Dr. William Hammesfahr"s report on Terri. He is a renouned doctor and would have no reason to give an inaccurate report. Why haven't his findings been acted upon. This woman is responsive and should be rehabilitated. Sinister is not the word for what has gone on in this case. Surely there is someone in this world who can do something for this poor woman before it is too late. For gods sake get your heads out of your ass and do whats right. Give this poor woman a chance. Her so called guardian will not. He disgusts me there are no words to describe the anger I feel towards this man. I won't even address him by name. GIVE THIS WOMAN REHABILITATION IF NOT JUST TO PROVE ONCE AND FOR ALL EITHER WAY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE

Posted by: Natasha at March 22, 2005 9:25 PM

Check out this article - http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1018909/posts

This article is unbelievable. Terri's parents may have been a little naive in regard to Michael, but they seem like they grew suspicious as time went on. I know this article is only the story told from one side, but it is kind of startling.

Posted by: Sandy at March 22, 2005 9:37 PM

You are all insane. Im glad this little group here is only the crazy fringe group of Christianity. Oh yeah, yams yams yams

Posted by: Truth at March 22, 2005 9:59 PM

Don't forget us crazy fringe Wiccans, Truth.

Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 10:01 PM

Would never forget you..and your Wiccan...ness. Guess that means it takes all kinds to be a crazy, huh?

Posted by: Truth at March 22, 2005 10:06 PM

Yeah, uh Truth, we Christians are the same bunch of crazies that think ripping a baby out of a womb one month before a due date is murder too, not a "choice". Boy, we are a bunch of loonies.
Fortunately your mother had the sense to not make that "choice".

Posted by: sb at March 22, 2005 10:22 PM