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March 19, 2005

Senate to Convene at 5pm Saturday

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The US Senate will convene in a special session on Saturday evening at 5:00 to consider passage of the Incapacitated Persons Protection Act.

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Praise the Lord!

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 19, 2005 2:31 PM

Please God let there be some hope! I'm in California and I sent an email to Boxer vis the terrisfight.org site which sent me to a page so that I sent her a message.

Please God don't let her die!

Posted by: Ruth at March 19, 2005 2:35 PM

I really pray there be a miracle and that Terri's life be spared from horrible starvation. :(

Posted by: Jane at March 19, 2005 2:39 PM

Thank God for all who are trying to save her.
May they succeed. Good St Joseph, on your Feast Day, protect Terri as you did your Child.

Posted by: Lynn at March 19, 2005 2:40 PM

This is the exact reason why we have laws. Lies and deception has been the reason why this women has not had her feeding tube removed. Now she suddenly say "I want to live". Thank God for judge Greer. He should be on United States Supreme court. The people that making up these lies about Terri will get to see her one day again, now that will be one great day.

Posted by: John David at March 19, 2005 2:42 PM

Thank GOD, and thank you Republicans for standing up for LIFE! Where are the Democrats? Ted Kennedy just stated that he thinks the Government should butt out and allow Terri to die. What a horrific statement, is he in essence saying that disabled people are worthless? Where is the National Org for women on this issue?
Aren't they the anti men group that stands for womens sufferage? I think we know where they are. They are standing with democrats and saying we are anti life for disabled people but pro life for murderers on death row. They are the same democrats that are pro choice for late term abortion. The anti life crowd.
Peggy Noonan is absolutely right on.

My mom was on full life support, her organs were failing, she had no life, she could not open her eyes for more than a moment.
Terri is clearly alive and appears as if she is desperately trying to say something but just cannot. She shows signs of life in those eyes. My GOD, how can you look at her and say she is not worth saving.
Michaal Schiavo and the legally blind Judge Greer are obviously trying to murder her.
She has been abused and denied therapy by these two men aided by Michaels attorney.

Let this woman live, help her, give her the therapy she deserves. She is disabled just as much as Christopher Reeve was. He had extensive therapy, his wife loved him and stood by his side. How many years did he live after his accident? Terri has surpassed him with -zero- therapy. Does that not speak volumes?

I pray for you Terri, every moment.

Posted by: chardonnay at March 19, 2005 2:44 PM

Please, please help Teri1 My prayers are with her and and the family

Posted by: Jene Morgan at March 19, 2005 2:46 PM

John David,

Are you telling me and others that support Terri and her family (mom, dad, brother and sister) that you agree that a woman should be starved to death by her husband who has been living with another woman for at least the past 8 years?

He violated a Florida state law in regards to guardianship plan he was supposed to submit. He also broke his marriage vows. He wants her cremated immediately following her VERY painful death. I think he's covering up something. He stopped all therapy once she started improving.

Starvation is wrong. If someone starves an animal, they get in trouble. Why is it (to you) not wrong to starve a helpless DISABLED human being?

Posted by: ElizabethV at March 19, 2005 2:47 PM

Teddy ("The Swimmer") Kennedy had the chutzpah to suggest that Terri should be allowed to die? Well, he is an expert on the subject of killing innocent young women.

Posted by: Old Coot at March 19, 2005 2:52 PM

I'll be praying.....please God, help Terri....

Posted by: Jasmine at March 19, 2005 2:53 PM

I think it is obvious who will stand up for your life. I am outraged at the Democrats response, they are the evil party.
She is disabled!!!!!
Many of us hear in Washington State are praying for you Terri. I know you are alive and that you so wish to tell your story. God is with you my sister.
please click my name which will link you to read the story about Terri we did. www.christmasghost.com

Posted by: chardonnay at March 19, 2005 2:54 PM

Good news! I'll bet the Democrats in the Senate are pitching fits about it, though.

Posted by: ELC at March 19, 2005 2:54 PM

I have been appalled watching these events
unfold. Clearly this woman is responsive, and clearly removing her feeding tube is murder. I applaud the senate for acting to save the life of this disabled woman. If what I have been reading on her husband is only half true, I don't understand how this could be allowed to occur, and why he isn't under prosecution for taking the money meant for her care and using it for himself. You go Senate!!!!!!

Posted by: PatriciaJ at March 19, 2005 2:59 PM

just feed her anything you can if they are going to let her die someone has to take this last step and try to feed her I was in a hospital with some that was being feed by tube but he ate everything i gave him.

Posted by: Michael at March 19, 2005 3:02 PM

I am wondering... if anyone can answer... how has Terri responded to seeing her "husband"? How did she respond when he was "at her bedside" when the tube was removed? Thanks. Praying always for Terri.

Posted by: Amy F. at March 19, 2005 3:02 PM

"Clearly this woman is responsive, and clearly removing her feeding tube is murder."

No, it is not clear. This woman has the diagnosis of PVS. She has no conscious content because her brain has been destroyed. The feeding tube is an artificial means keeping her alive. It is presently feeding her against the wishes she had before she became comatose. What is clear is that the feeding tube could be considered in this setting assault and battery. It is also clear that she is a pawn in the sickening game you are playing to advance the political and religious agenda you favor. Sick.

Posted by: doc nos at March 19, 2005 3:08 PM

I see someone on the blog supports Ted Kennedy.

His history of leaving young women to die is clear! He has done it before. Why would we expect that he would not again want a young woman dead? He is no better than that guy they just caught who killed that little girl in Florida 3 weeks ago.

In case you are too young to remember Mr. Kennedy's past, see http://www.ytedk.com/

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 19, 2005 3:08 PM

Read up on this case. Terri's brain shows massive shrinking, it has been replaced largely by spinal fluid. Unless God himself is going to intervene and regrow her brain, there is no "treatment" for this.

HER SOUL IS TRAPPED INSIDE OF HER FAILING BODY.

Why can't she be allowed to go home to heaven, to be at peace with the Lord her God?

Maybe she was screaming that she DIDN'T want to live like this.

I sure wouldn't.

Posted by: MK at March 19, 2005 3:11 PM

doc nos... you are wrong. Her HUSBAND'S team has diagnosed her as being in a PSV. Other experts have contested that diagnosis.

Posted by: Amy F at March 19, 2005 3:11 PM

If you're going to bring up things people said or did years ago, might as well mention that the Schindlers concurred with the PVS assessment early on. Before all the infighting with Michael made them change their minds.

Posted by: HouseFlair at March 19, 2005 3:15 PM

I hope the democrats in the senate aren't pitching a fit and are willing to consider that Terri might not be PVS and she might be suffering now that she's being denied sustenance. I'm a democrat and I can't understand why this issue appears to be divided down party lines. Allowing someone to dehydrate to death is not ending suffering! It's increasing it 1000 fold!

I also can't seem to help fellow democrats understand that they're projecting their healthy ego and intellect onto Terri when they say that she wouldn't want to live like this. How can they possibly know? They're not in her shoes, they haven't lost vast amounts of their intellect. It may take very little to make someone like Terri happy now.

The level of fixation that "due process has been followed" is amazing to me. They appear to be convinced that our courts are infallable and that a diagnosis made 10 or more years ago by technology that's not considered acceptable today is good enough to believe that Terri is vegetative. Process and procedure seem to matter more in today's society than finding the truth. The truth in Terri's case is easy to find. Run the functional MRIs and the PET scan. ...two weeks tops. If it shows activity, cancel any idea of "letting her die", and begin rehab. A court room focused on finding out the truth could have solved this mess 10 years ago...or whenever it first hit Greer's courtroom.

Posted by: Ceci at March 19, 2005 3:15 PM

just feed her anything you can if they are going to let her die someone has to take this last
step and try to feed her I was in a hospital with someone that was being feed by tube.
but he ate everything i gave him.

Posted by: Michael at March 19, 2005 3:16 PM

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

/\ read all of the information on that page...

Posted by: MK at March 19, 2005 3:16 PM

Michael...I wish they could feed her by spoon. Judge Greer isn't allowing the parents or anyone else to do that. He's so convinced that she wants to die that he's not allowing her to eat normally. Now, why he's doing that is a mystery to me. If people try to feed her normally by mouth, if she wants to die, she can reject the food....right?

Posted by: Ceci at March 19, 2005 3:22 PM

I thought it would be good the share what I came across at the Daughters of St. Paul.

Providential don't you think that Terri is short for Theresa, and St. Joseph is the PROTECTOR of the dying. See what I am talking about below:

From the Daughters of St. Paul--a word of HOPE:

March 19
St. Joseph

St. Joseph is a great saint. He was Jesus' foster-father and Mary's husband. Joseph was given the great privilege of taking care of God's own Son, Jesus, and his Mother, Mary. Joseph was poor all his life. He had to work very hard in his carpenter shop, but he did not mind. He was happy to work for his little family. He loved Jesus and Mary so much.
Whatever the Lord wanted him to do, St. Joseph did at once, no matter how difficult it was. He was humble and pure, gentle and wise. Jesus and Mary loved him and obeyed him because God had placed him as the head of their family. What a joy for St. Joseph to live with the Son of God himself. Jesus obeyed him, helped him, and loved him.
We pray to St. Joseph as the protector of the dying for a special reason. It is believed that Joseph died peacefully in the arms of Jesus and Mary.
St. Teresa of Avila chose St. Joseph as the protector of her order of Carmelite sisters. She had a great trust in his prayers. "Every time I ask St. Joseph for something," she said, "he always obtains it for me."
Pope Pius IX proclaimed St. Joseph the patron of the Universal Church.

"What the divine goodness had promised to them [the prophets and patriarchs], he held in his arms."-St. Bernadine of Siena

http://www.daughtersofstpaul.com/saintday/m3.html#BM30

Let us keep working for Terri (Theresa's) giving care.

God bless you all,

R.B.

Posted by: RB at March 19, 2005 3:24 PM

Just remember: she's had no independent legal representation in 13 years.

Democrats aren't evil. Dumb in this instance, yes. But there are some genuine Liberals in there among the Leftists.

A big problem we have to solve in the future regarding this issue is the difference between the 'letter of the law' and justice. It's no good unless the two are in sync.

Posted by: moge at March 19, 2005 3:30 PM

I can see that the pro-euthanasia lobby have been busy again distorting the facts. It is true that there are pro-life Democrats and good people who do not want to see a disabled woman die. However, they tend to bow to the party line that is pro-death and this is not a good thing.

I pray that the US Senate will pass the legislation so that it can be signed by the President. I also pray that someone who has the authority to do so, will remove this woman from the hospice. I also pray that George Greer, George Felos and Michael Schiavo are placed under arrest for perverting the course of justice.

Michael Schiavo is lying about Terri's wishes. He cannot get the story straight about when she supposedly made the comment. His testimony on the matter lacks total credibility.

Posted by: Maggie at March 19, 2005 3:31 PM

Am I understanding correctly (because I can't remember where I read it) that Terri is forbidden to eat or drink without the feeding tube, even though it would be natural feeding.

If she can consume ANYTHING on her own wouldn't this place her outside the "being kept alive artificially" mantra - not that I think a feeding tube and sustenance is considered artificial life.

If she were given the opportunity to eat/drink and she tries to do so on her own, wouldn't that indicate she really does want to live?

Posted by: Virginia at March 19, 2005 3:33 PM

doc nos and the other trolls: This thread is about trying to save the life of an innocent young woman. Please slither back to DU or KOS or wherever you came from.

Posted by: Old Coot at March 19, 2005 3:43 PM

In fairness to the Democrats, the leadership is saying that many (certainly not all)are cooperating on this bill. I agree with Ceci that there should be no fear of doing more tests if they are certain that claims that she is PVS are true. Also, there should be no fear of therapy to get her eating by mouth if she really wants to die. In fact, it would empower her to reject food on her own and die if that is what she really wishes.

Posted by: Dory at March 19, 2005 3:44 PM

Only 20% (i.e. two) of the neurologists who examed Terri diagnosed her as being in a persistant vegetative state. The other 80% (i.e. 16+) neurologists who examed Terri say she's minimally conscious. (It is not the customary practice to pull food and water from patients with any degree of consciousness). Michael Schiavo only presented to Judge Greer the reports of the two neurologists who diagnosed PVS and the Judge disallowed the 16+ reports from neurologists who diagnosed her as being in a minimally conscious state submitted by Terri's parents. This is one of the major factors that put a spin on this case early on. And that is why the media reports and the public assumes she is in a PVS when there is actually more evidence to support that she is not.

Posted by: Anna Nordin at March 19, 2005 3:55 PM

Thanks Dory. I'm with you on this. The case could have been solved ages ago if the courts wanted to. The lawyer for Michael certainly didn't want a quick resolution...it'd cut into his paycheck. But the court could have said "I want the truth. Get the tests done right". If she'd been accurately diagnosed with the correct technologies and proven vegetative...case closed. If she'd been diagnosed as non-pvs and rehabilitated, she could reject eating of her own accord. There would be no question if she wanted to live or die.

But Noooo...there was money to be made. The malpractice money was drained dry and Felos made beacoup bucks along with possibly promoting an agenda. I'm starting to think that attorneys like him are not really for a cause, but just convince eveyone that they "stand" for a cause. Life and death issues polarize people so strongly to fight,that lawyers stand to gain alot of money when people attack each other. If a lawyer can instigate the alarm, and provoke the first attack, then he/she can sit back and watch the money roll in. Gack...I'm getting sick just thinking that someone could do that. It's all speculation on my part, but my faith in the "leaders" of society is really waning right now.

Posted by: Ceci at March 19, 2005 3:58 PM

Funny how republicans are for "less government" and "personal freedom" but now here is the perfect time for such here they are big brothering and all of you accept it. I would love to see your attitude when your choice of church is restricted or choice of school for your child or they tell you how to raise your children. What then?

Posted by: Ian at March 19, 2005 4:01 PM

Hmmmm, perhaps we should stay on topic here Ian. Good attempt at a diversionary tactic though.

Posted by: Ceci at March 19, 2005 4:08 PM

How could the Judge possibly make an "informed" decision if he cannot "SEE" her???? Isn't he legally blind? If so, this is very telling of what is really happening.

Posted by: chardonnay at March 19, 2005 4:11 PM

Only 20% (i.e. two) of the neurologists who examed Terri diagnosed her as being in a persistant vegetative state. The other 80% (i.e. 16+) neurologists who examed Terri say she's minimally conscious. (It is not the customary practice to pull food and water from patients with any degree of consciousness). Michael Schiavo only presented to Judge Greer the reports of the two neurologists who diagnosed PVS and the Judge disallowed the 16+ reports from neurologists who diagnosed her as being in a minimally conscious state.

No, this is not true. Both the court appointed physician in 1996 and the physicians retained by the Schindlers agreed on the damage to terri's neo-cortex. The physicians retained by the Schindlers argued (twice) in trial court that there were therapies available to terri that would help. The court ruled against them.

THERE ARE NO THERAPIES THAT REGROW CORTICAL TISSUE.

Posted by: jinnderella at March 19, 2005 4:21 PM

Is this man (Fl Judge) who ruled for the husband, God ? He can take her life ?

Terri is not brain-dead and her parents love and need her. It does not appear she is suffering, though i cant speak to that.

Her husband has got it all wrong, and if she dies this painful death of starvation, he might as well be Scott Petersen.

Posted by: Steve at March 19, 2005 4:25 PM

Jinn, Terri's family and supporters have been pleading for these tests for years, but have been denied them by Michael Schiavo and by the courts. The only thing she has had so far is a CAT scan, many years ago, which cannot assess the functioning of the brain, it only takes a picture of it. Terri Schiavo is not brain dead by any stretch, though she is certainly very disabled. Scores and scores of doctors have testified that she has not been tested adequately enough to reach a diagnosis of PVS. Scores of people (family, friends, visitors, and health care workers) say they have seen her respond to people and communicate, which makes a PVS diagnosis unlikely. She is "low functioning," and some people say that makes her disposable and others of us say her life should still be defended. The issue is not whether or not she can be cured. The only reason PVS is an issue at all is because Florida law allows that as a suitable condition for withdrawing feeding tubes.

Posted by: Dory at March 19, 2005 4:48 PM

I see elsewhere that the Congressional leadership (Republican) is thanking Senate minority (Democratic) leader Harry Reid for his helpfulness. I'm glad to see that.

Posted by: ELC at March 19, 2005 5:21 PM

I am very confused as to why we are letting Michael Schiavo manipulate Americans into thinking letting Terri live means obstructing everyones right to die. I am all for state assisted suicide for terminally ill cancer patients, who live every last day suffering and begging their families to end their lives, like my late uncle did for three months. Terri, however, never asked to be starved to death. Her husband asked for her to be starved to death after having over $1 mio put into a trust. Only after having $1 put into a trust. Conflict of interest anyone. Where are you all the bright minds with power? Where are you all the people
with guts to stand in front of bulldozers trying to save someone's home in a country far away? Come together for one of your own, please...

Posted by: Charlotte Tomlinson at March 19, 2005 5:47 PM

Of the few threads that I've read at this website it is leading me to believe that Terri is unaware of ALL the support she is receiving from around world. Since the feeding tube was removed, I worry that Terri must be thinking society has abandoned her.
Is anyone reading blog messages of support to her? Most of her supporters simply cannot be there . . .but let it be known that a virtual hug is extended by each of us. HANG IN THERE TERRI! Big hugs to her loving family and to all who are giving HOPE to Terri and her family.

Posted by: anonymous at March 19, 2005 5:53 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp

read this. please.

Posted by: chardonnay at March 19, 2005 5:57 PM

Thisarticle in National Review proves the doctor, picked by m. schiavo (beelzubub) and his attorney, has an agenda. he is really pro assisted suicide and has advoctaed and ordered starving many others before Terri.
So this is truly a matter of life v murder. or PRO-CHOICE V PRO-LIFE.
Now I know that Million Dollar Baby was a real precidence for PRO-CHOICE. No wonder Kennedy and ther feminazi's are not defending Terri.

Posted by: chardonnay at March 19, 2005 6:02 PM

A comment/question for you people who are asking the question, "Why not let her go?"

Terri is severly handicapped, both mentally and physically. So what? She has a family who loves her, will care for her and will make sure she has some therapy - forever!
She is capable of pleasure; According to her family, friends, past-caregivers, etc., she can and does smile, she enjoys listening to music and other very basic things bring her joy. Why do some people have to look at her and say they wouldn't want to be like that? Who would? But, if you will take your feet out of HER shoes for a moment, you may realize that she may be happy in her own shoes. She may not think in terms of the way she used to be...I've seen mentally challenged people and if they have a loving family, they are happy. Their needs are basic - their goals are few. Who are you to say they should die, because YOU wouldn't want to be like them?

Posted by: Susan Orefice at March 19, 2005 6:47 PM

I have a cousin brother who has been mentally handicapped since he was a baby, he is now 44. He needs constant care, cannot chew-can only swallow semi-digested food, he has to be given enigma for waste removal, he is totally blind, has some hearing, can only make noises - cannot talk. I cannot for the life of me imagine my uncle wanting to stop feeding him one fine morning. He is being cared for at home by family members all these 44 years.

Posted by: sujata at March 19, 2005 7:02 PM

Dear Jinnderella: (comment from 3:55p vs comment from 4:21p). Please let me know specifically why you think my stats are wrong because I"m not interested in promoting false information. Your explanation about neocortex damage being agreed upon by both the court appointed physician and Terri's parents physician doesn't negate the information I've provided. Having neocortical damage is not equivalent to being in a vegetative state and I agree, Terri definitely does have damage to the neocortex. Many people who have neocortex damage have almost if not fully functioning mental capacities. Actually, having done brain research for several years, we did get some regeneration of cerebral cortex, so it may be a matter of time until the FDA approves a technique for use on patients. However, that's not even the point I wish to make. You don't specify the extend of neocortical damage they determined Terri to have and since appropriate tests were never conducted to determine this we cannot say with any certainty that her entire neocortex is destroyed. As long as some neocortex does remain intact, the body has a remarkable capacity to reroute or reform circuits in the brain so that non-damaged areas can take over the areas that damaged areas used to control. This is usually facilitated best with rehabilitative therapy.

Posted by: Dr. Anna Nordin at March 19, 2005 7:34 PM

Thanks Dr. Nordin. I recently just became aware of a phenomenon called seneasthesia (spelling is probably wrong). People who exhibit this have some unique brain wiring. When they hear a person's name, they may also get the sense of a smell. Sounds also elict the sense of color. In a techie forum I frequent, we recently had a thread started where a young man in the UK (labeled in the past as an idiot savant) was able to describe how he makes the calculations he does. He doesn't think in numbers. When someone asks him to calculate something, he sees pictures, hears sounds, colors pop into view. He knows what these communications from his brain mean. To him numbers are magical and precious. But he most certainly doesn't calculate like "normal" people do.

If some people can be wired in such non-standard way, (and we don't understand it yet) how can we determine "how much brain makes a person" and whether their life is "worth living". That just sounds like societal egos talking to me. Life is about more than standard level intellect, fitting in, or "being productive".

The plasticity in the brain is amazing. It's the same organ that we used to be taught was a static and finished creation when we were kids. Terri will never be what she was, but it's possible she could still enjoy life even if it confuses us as to how.

Posted by: Ceci at March 19, 2005 9:34 PM

I am a nice looking young woman with a big beautiful pregnant belly. I was thinking maybe a bunch of us expecting, could write PRO LIFE SAVE TERRI on our tummies and email the pictures to someone, ..but who? Any ideas? Want to join me?
I simply cannot believe we are starving a human being to death.

Posted by: Charlotte Tomlinson at March 20, 2005 12:56 PM

Dr. Anna Nordin
I was referring to the original physicians retained for Schiavo I, I believe. I thought there were 19 neurologists that been recently asked to reccommend testing, that would be post Schiavo III. The judge ruled that those testing requests had no merit under Schiavo III.
I would very much like to have the fMRI and PET scans done, but my point is that michael schiavo is not obligated under the law to allow the tests.

Were the patients you refer to very young? It is my understanding that in adults, like terri, cortical tissue no longer undergoes growth and differentiation.
Yes, pathways can be relearned, like in stroke damage, but that is very dependent on where the damage is, and if rerouting is availble. I don't know how much neo-cortex is lost in terri's case, no one does, and we won't without the tests. AND again, personally, i think schiavo should allow the tests, for the benefit of science if nothing else, but he is not obligated to under the law. We all voted on the laws that make that make that possible.
umm, and synesthesia is not going to help her.

Posted by: jinnderella at March 20, 2005 4:08 PM