 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
||||||
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
|
 |
|
||||||
|
« Life, Death, and Reality | Main | Hospice Nurse Fired » March 22, 2005Please Call Nancy Argenziano Now! (Updated)Topics: Action ItemsEmail message from reader: I just got a personal response from Senator Nancy Argenziano! She asked where I got the info about Terri being able to sip some water. I directed her to the nurse's affidavit at terrisfight.org. Re: Nancy Argenziano, 850-487-5017 Urgent - Since Nancy's phones are very busy, will everyone please keep trying to get her and let her know that Terri can take-in water and has actually taken water, jello, and pudding. Please direct her to HERE on BLOGSFORTERRI since it's easy to find that specific post here. Please advise her that she can get more information at BlogsForTerri.com if she would please just check it out herself instead of listening to the media. We need Nancy's help. Update: Please also let her know that Sean Hannity [at 2.00pm this afternoon (ET)]will be talking with a recent former caregiver of Terri Schiavo. She can hear his radio show via the above Sean Hannity link. WE SHOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE OTHER FLORIDA SENATORS ON THE PREVIOUS POST HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION. Posted by richard at March 22, 2005 1:33 PM Articles Related to Action Items:
Trackback PingsTrackBack URL for this entry: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Please Call Nancy Argenziano Now! (Updated):
» There's still a chance. Here's what you can do. from Discarded Lies Tracked on March 22, 2005 2:02 PM
» Terri Schiavo: Please Call Nancy Argenziano Now! from Hyscience Tracked on March 22, 2005 2:32 PM
» There May Still Be Some Hope for Terri Schiavo! from Trials and Turbulations Tracked on March 22, 2005 2:36 PM
» Michael Shiavo's Duplicity from Crystal Clear Tracked on March 22, 2005 4:20 PM
» Bone Scan from Crystal Clear Tracked on March 22, 2005 5:09 PM Comments
I left the same info on her voice mail this morning, as well as in emails I sent her. I think it is important to also keep calling the US AG 202-353-1555 as they were reportedly 'weighing their options.' They need to act faster, time is of the essence. Posted by: I hope. at March 22, 2005 1:55 PM Keep working, everyone, and keep praying. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 1:57 PM Her dad said he couldn't even bring in ice chips to wet her lips. They get (so to speak) strip-searched before they can even enter her room to make sure that they aren't bringing phones, cameras, food, water, ice, etc. There's something very wrong with this picture when this is the case! I WILL try to call Nancy. Write On! Posted by: Ainsley Jo Phillips at March 22, 2005 2:01 PM Has anyone e-mailed Sen. Argenziano the link to this blog? Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 2:16 PM Terri is not going to have a condition for long if those Florida Judges have their way. GUARDIANSHIP NEEDS TO BE TAKEN AWAY IMMEDIATELY FROM MICHAEL. Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 2:31 PM Also, posted on Sean Hannity's web site is his interview yesterday with Dr. Hammessfahr who states repeatedly that Terri could improve with therapy. This is a must listen to, if you haven't listened too it yet. Posted by: Ann at March 22, 2005 2:35 PM I just did. (I hope I don't get in trouble at work...) Here's the text of my e-mail: [BEGIN QUOTE] [a short excerpt of Heidi Law post went here] The rest of the story is at http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/03/nurse_terri_can.php . I know this matter is proving difficult to decide, but Terri's life is worth just as much as that of any other human being or any other American citizen. She deserves the same protection under the law. Thank you very much for your time and your consideration. [signed with my real name] Posted by: Mary in LA at March 22, 2005 2:38 PM I called and left a voice mail. Phones were busy, so that's good! Posted by: Mo at March 22, 2005 2:41 PM It was just reported on Fox News that AP has released information that Terri's parents have said she is fading fast and are urgently begging the courts to reinstate the feeding tube. Keep at it friends. Prayers, prayers, emails, calls, everything. Posted by: Sandy at March 22, 2005 2:43 PM We need to e-mail all the Sen. who might be swayed to vote to save Terri. I thought this information was already made available to everyone! Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 2:44 PM Carla Iyer was just interviewed on CNN. She was on FOX this morning. Call these networks to repeat the interviews or have her back on the evening shows. Posted by: chris K at March 22, 2005 2:45 PM What about Sun Hudson, the baby terminated by court decision in Texas, because the treatment was deemed to expensive (His mom couldn't afford it)? Posted by: Agnok at March 22, 2005 2:47 PM Trolls, be gone! Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 2:49 PM Would someone please remove Agnok from this forum, he is a troll and needs to go back to DU or Kos where he is missed. Posted by: Old Coot at March 22, 2005 2:50 PM I will be continuing to battle for Terri on my show again today (Talk Show America) which is heard on the IBC affilate WWPR 1490 AM in Bradenton, also nationally on The IBC Radio network on the internet, and will advise listeners of the above info and any other relevant info I find here. J.R. Posted by: J.R. at March 22, 2005 2:50 PM Agnok... the courts did not permit a lot of evidence showing that Michael Schiavo was LYING about "what Terri wanted." He took Michael at his word, which is about as reliable as ... well I won't throw an insult, the point is that the courts based decisions without getting to see all of the pertinant information. The truth is that Michael Schiavo has contradicted himself about "Terri's wishes" and admitted to others that he and Terri NEVER TALKED ABOUT this type of thing. But since some judge ruled a certain way you just want to toss away this woman's life? Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 2:51 PM File charges against Terri. I keep hearing that criminals would get better treatment - get a lawyer to expedite a criminal process against her so that the court would require her to be alive. Quickly. Posted by: Eric at March 22, 2005 2:58 PM I have a modest proposal for Michael and Judge Whittemore as regards their "procedure" (see Michael's Nightline quote): try it. It's Tuesday. Try going without food or water for the next 3 days - coincidentally ending on Good Friday. (OK, maybe not so coincidentally.) See how it feels. Lots of people do it all the time. It won't kill you (even as it will kill her). It's less time than Terri has already endured. Determine for yourself whether this is painless. Determine for yourself whether this constitutes 'cruel and unusual' punishment. Posted by: Kobayashi Maru at March 22, 2005 3:05 PM Right on, Kobayshi. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 3:07 PM If this is such a non-issue - I say lets start trying it on death row. Posted by: Julie at March 22, 2005 3:08 PM Terri is a Congressional witness. She is being "whacked" by others involved in the congressional investigation. A subpeona has been issued and that the witness is being purposfully gotten out of the way. Put her in the witness protection program. Call out the FL national guard, whatever it takes, this is not a time to be fearful of reprocusions, they can be dealt with at a later date. There is little time left. Posted by: Warren at March 22, 2005 3:11 PM Terri may can take in water but so can a tree. She can not take in enough of anything to sustain her life, she must be force feed and she does not respond to outside stimuli so let her go and celebrate her life as it was. She has been gone for a long time. Posted by: jo at March 22, 2005 3:17 PM We should have a FAQ up so people can read the truth about things, rather than having to respond to the same old tired (incorrect) arguments. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 3:22 PM *sigh* Another troll has crawled out from the woodwork... another one of Michael's minions. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 3:23 PM Amy, we do! It's on the right top hand side of this site! It's says Facts About Terri. These trolls don't care about learning the facts or the truth about Terri. They are just lurking to cause problems and have us explain ourselves over and over and over and over. People, if you don't know all the facts, or refuse to learn the truth, you don't belong here. This is a support group for Terri Supporters. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 3:27 PM You know what--I'm thinking that all these trolls must be worse-off than Terri. We know her brain functions, but she needs food and water to survive. These guys, however, they eat freely, drink freely, breathe, and their blood pumps, but everyone of them are BRAINLESS, EMPTY Headed, HEARTLESS, shells of humanity. They've DEMONstrated they have nothing upstairs, why can't we starve them to death? BTW...this comment isn't directed at all those with opposing views, just the ones who refuse to provide a name and email address. Why hide if you are so superior and have so much "truth" to back you up??? Posted by: Tress at March 22, 2005 3:31 PM "Terri is a Congressional witness. She is being "whacked" by others involved in the congressional investigation." The problem with that is that Congress clearly overstepped its bounds in issuing that subpoena. As far as I can tell, the only recourse is civil disobedience. Posted by: jpe at March 22, 2005 3:36 PM I am so angry right now, after reading an article on how Terri's death will be peaceful. "After all, she is in a persistent vegetative state without conscious awareness" it says. LOOK AT THE FACTS AND REALIZE SHE IS NOT PVS!! Yeah, probably the point where she DIES will be "peaceful" but the whole dehydration/starvation thing that leads to the death won't be much fun. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 3:41 PM It is incredible that she has been led to this late hour still without proper care while the very act of removal is what is under question! Here's some additional fodder to may help in the effort to communicate to those in a legislative or governmental position to restore proper care and nutrition to this disabled person: An top bioethics expert takes apart MS et al. and recent misinformative dialog on Larry King Live, and offers other information on Dr. Conrad and the misdiagnosis of Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/medical_ethics/me0074.html Posted by: RESUME FEEDING! at March 22, 2005 3:43 PM If dying from starvation was so peaceful, then why do we send food to countries where children are starving to death? Hmmmm? Evil loves to distort the truth, doesn't it? Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 3:44 PM Richard, everyone ought to got vote on VOTE.COM too, and then get these results to Senators Argenziano and the other pols. in FLA: http://www.vote.com/vResults/index.phtml?voteID=60341751&cat=4075633 Out of 3,835 votes cast (so far) in the second day of voting at www.vote.com on the question, "Was President Bush Right To Sign A New Law Letting Terri Schiavo’s Parents Seek Restoration of Feeding Tube?" 2,548 said YES (66%), while 1,287 said NO (34%). Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 3:46 PM get a life people. Terri smiles and makes noises at the ceailing with no one in the room. You people need to go learn what brain damage is, oh my bad, you all do know, first hand. Posted by: has a brain at March 22, 2005 3:48 PM jpe, Congress has NOT "clearly overstepped its bounds." If you had the chance to hear Attorney Jay Sekulow on MacNeil Lehrer's News Hour last night, he showed how this is totally untrue, that Congress has "stepped in" before on behalf of CORPORATIONS and groups of corporations in an industry to allow such federal oversight, as well as it's been done for convicts on death row before too. If corporaions can get INDIVIDUAL HELP like that from Congress, never mind convicted criminals, stand aside with that complaing about overstepping bounds. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 3:53 PM A fourth (or is it fifth?) troll: "has a brain." Ignore him/her too. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 3:55 PM Hey everyone! Don't forget to sign the petition!! Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 3:56 PM Thank you for hosting this site. Were it not for the action items I would be losing my mind, not knowing what to do to help Terri and her parents and siblings. As for the trolls, they are certainly worse off than Terri and it's best to ignore their lies. Thaanks again. Posted by: zerb at March 22, 2005 4:00 PM "jpe, Congress has NOT "clearly overstepped its bounds."" I think you're referring to the special legislation, and you're absolutely right. I was referring to the subpoena, which is a different thing altogether. Posted by: jpe at March 22, 2005 4:03 PM Great work, folks! In the 15 minutes since I posted on the VOTE.com question, it went up another 39 votes "Yes." Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 4:05 PM When is all of this going to end?? Where does it end?? Terri's husband has made a decision and we should all respect that and respect that he would know his wife best. If this was her wishes why is it so hard for the rest of the world to accept that? Take a minute and think, is this what we would want done to us? Would we want to live in this vegetative non-coherent state? I know this is not how I would want my life to be remembered as. Hold the good memories and its time to let her go and have peace. And the court system is not the place to take this. Posted by: Hadden at March 22, 2005 4:10 PM Hadden, I encourage you to read the link on the top right hand of the website "Facts About Terri" and then you will see why we are fighting for her civil rights... Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:12 PM do you know all the facts. Terri's mom agreed to quadruple amputaion to keep her alive if it comes to that. Maybe she will come out of it then and be happy. She was bulemic so starvation shouldn't be so bad. Posted by: sickandtired at March 22, 2005 4:13 PM jpe, as Sekulow said last night, "[In] the Supreme Court opinion a number of years ago, in the dissent of the Frizane case, a similar type of situation, the court said that, you know, 'injunctions can be reversed but court orders cannot resurrect people from the dead.'" Transcript of the debate: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june05/schiavo_3-21.html If they were "pulling out all the stops" to help ME live, I'd be all for it. So I'm all for it, for Terri. Let the legal wags worry later. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 4:14 PM What a frightening, self-referential world you all live in. In the intelligence business they call it circular reporting. Here, it's just a way for you all to continue to spin yourselves into a self-righteous frenzy. This case has been reviewed by no less than 19 judges. Enough doctors have come to the same conclusion about Terri to satisfy even the most rigorous confidence factor. The one doctor is says he can save her has NEVER treated a similar condition, only conditions with similar symptoms, i.e. strokes. No THERAPY can replace an organ that no longer exists. Get over it. We won't even delve into his problems with the law and the fact that he treats on patients who pay in cash. As for Michael, it has been stated repeatedly in court that he has "provided loving care" for Terri THROUGHOUT this ordeal. As for accusations of crimes and other such tripe, through 19+ judicial reviews, NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN ENTERED OR PROVEN. The echo chambers you have created for yourself will not make innuendo and rumor and more factual. As for the method of death, starvation, that is emotional on its face, but less so upon inspection. In reality, she will die of dehydration. As gruesome as that sounds, the actuality of the death will be mitigated by the drugs and care she will be given to reduce any physical reaction to nill. In essence, even if she could feel something, which is in doubt, she will not. This is a sad case of our science outpacing our understanding of life and death. We can now keep the physical body alive indefinitely in the scientific sense, but we have no idea what is the definition of sentient LIFE. What perplexes me most is that all of you so-called pro-lifers claim such grad religious affinity, yet seem strangely afraid to meet you maker or allow another who so obviously can no longer function in this life to meet hers. If the paradise of love that is your heaven awaits her, why not let her go? I shall suspend comment on the hypocrisy of pro-life stances that turn a blind eye to preemptive war that kills 10000 or 100000 more innocents; that promote unrestricted gun ownership that kills more innocents than any malpractice event; that live in a state that executes more people than any other besides Texas and Virginia; that praises a man for his compassion that signed the death warrants of 152 people while govenor of Texas - more than any other governor in history. Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing. In the end, who are you doing this for anyway. For Terri? I doubt it. You're doing if for yourself. You are placing yourself on a self-righteous soap box so all can see what a great and loving person you are - and your hoping God might just notice too. Some philosophies, older than any Abrahamic religion, have noted that the root of all suffering is spawned from clinging. Clinging to life, things, perceptions, ideologies, self. Most of all, you all seem to cling to the delusion that you are in control of your surroundings. The sad fact is that most of us...you included, are barely in control of ourselves. Clinging to the idea of control. If Terri's parents would simply let go, then they could pray for their childs ascendence to Heaven, a result that is far more likely than her return to life as we know it. Instead, they cling. And now, their memories upon her eventual and inevitable passing, will be of this bitter struggle that will in no way define who she was or how she lived before this terrible tradgedy. I know you all think you are helping, but you're not. And, the strife you cause in your families, your communities and this country are far more damaging than allowing a person to graciously pass on. Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2005 4:19 PM Sick and Tired is a troll. And you're sick to even say what you did. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:19 PM Mike has no place being here. This website is not for those who don't want to help Terri. This is a place where Terri's supporters can SUPPORT Terri and eachother. Go spew your hogwash somewhere else... Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:21 PM Well no matter what your beliefs are, can you honestly sit here and think that the gov't and Bush should step in?? Because be careful what you wish for, Bush is like a runaway train heading for a cliff. You give him too much power and he will come in and take charge of your life too. This should be fought between the parents and husband and the Gov't and Supreme courts need to stay out of this. Posted by: Hadden at March 22, 2005 4:22 PM Another troll: IGNU (who refuses to leave their email) Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:22 PM Hadden, no matter what your belief is would you stand by and watch child abuse because the abuse is by the parents? In this case there's more than reasonable doubt Terri was physically abused (she had sooooo many broken bones) and her therapy money $1 million was not spent on her. Whatever you might believe, whatever your party affiliations might be, you have got to stop and think... Why is a Nobel-nominated doctor making statements that Terri can be rehabilitated? Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 4:24 PM To all trolls: can you not read? It says BLOGS ****FOR**** TERRI, not against. You want to be listened to? Start your own blogs against her. See if you get over 390 blogs to support your POV. And BTW, we won't visit any of them. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 4:26 PM maybe terri can log on here so she be with the other brainless like annie and serina. I hope you never find yourself in a spot like this and the Bush family can decide your fate too. Terri doed not know anything, he cognitive function is long gone and she is nothing but spontaneous reaction of biomolecules. Please get a life and get into the real cognitive world or, hey I have a great idea to solve this!!! all of you show them and go a hunger strike, make us all happy. Posted by: sickandtired at March 22, 2005 4:26 PM Sujata is a breath of fresh air... thank you Sujata! Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:27 PM Sirena, I thought this was a web site where we could all voice our OPINIONS - after all, that's all we really have are opinions - the facts are not all known by any of us. Mike was simply voicing his opinion and reasons for feeling the way he does. Why do you call him a troll? He wasn't badmouthing anyone. Look, i was extremely torn when i came on here - after hearing both sides, reading as much as I possibly could (including the info on this site) - i feel much stronger about my opinion. I have had an open mind-none of you have changed it. I understand your pain and sympathize with everyone - that doesn't mean I'm a "troll" just because I don't believe what you do. Let others voice their opinions and why they feel that way - or are you afraid more people will understand that this really is the right thing to do - let Terri go in peace. Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 22, 2005 4:27 PM Sirena, Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 4:30 PM SS, I never said you were a troll. As for other people's opinions... like many have mentioned... this is a place of support for Terri, not for others to cause problems... if people want to talk about "letting her go" then they should start their own blog and start chatting there. We have seen all the facts and evidence and heard both sides of the story, and those who choose to be affiliated with this blog are doing so because they believe in fighting for Terri's rights. If people choose not to support her for whatever reason, they should do it elsewhere... Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:32 PM Hey Hadden, I am sure you would have come to the same conclusion about Sarah Scantlin had you met her last year. Posted by: Sujata at March 22, 2005 4:32 PM Yes, thank you, Sujata! Well said! And Sirena, for--AGAIN---pointing out the Facts portion of this blog. And all the others who are for Terri. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 4:32 PM Over the past two days, the only thing I've noticed is that those who really want to see Terri live only say negative against those who think it's time for Terri to die. And when you pose the though questions, their standard response is you must be a Troll. Blogs, whether they are for or against something or someone, are still just opinion sites. We are all entitled to have an opinion and share that with others. If you don't want "trolls" on the site, then restrict access to it. The main point is you cannot drown out the other side. REmain open minded, and realize we are all entitled to our opinions. Posted by: Sarah at March 22, 2005 4:34 PM Sirena, It's not that we don't support Terri - we do. We are simply trying to make you understand that it's okay for her to go in peace. Just as hard as you are trying to get those of us who have differing opinions to listen to your side, your thoughts, feelings, etc. we want you to hear ours. Keep an open mind if you can. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong - this is a very difficult situation. I like the fact that i can hear your side - hear your reasons for believing in what you do - it does make me think. There have been a lot of good points made on both sides. We're just trying to make the inevitable a little easier for you to understand, that's all. And by listening and reading what others are saying, I feel helps. I did not mean to offend you, please don't offend those who have a different opinion. Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 22, 2005 4:37 PM Re: Michael Schiavo's Comment that he loves Terri is in total contrast to truth and a description of love found in 1Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. liar. Oh by the way Proverbs 6:16-19 states: A perfect description of Michael Schiavo!!! Posted by: Dawn Kozsey at March 22, 2005 4:37 PM Webmaster/Webmistress, please ban the trolls. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:44 PM i e-mailed nancy just a while ago,hopefully she'll look at this blog quickly Posted by: spike at March 22, 2005 4:46 PM Mike, Methinks you should learn how to read/understand who is saying what: my posts are directly above my posts - not below. I believe you're referring to Dawn Kozsey's post. Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 22, 2005 4:51 PM Sadly Selfish, I'm not offended by you at all. I'm just letting people know this is a blog for support of Terri. People who want to cause problems are not trying to help, they are trying to hinder our fight. And it's rude, and disrespectful to all who are here to encourage each other in our fight for Terri's right to live when her husband is trying so desperately to kill her so she can never testify against him... I respect others opinion, but I do not respect those who post messages that are obviously trying to "spin" things into a negative light. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 4:51 PM Sirena, Thanks for clearing that up - i do understand. I know all of you are really suffering now and feel horribly. I don't mean to make things worse. While I do believe in letting her go in peace (whether it may be right or wrong), I feel for her entire family - i can't imagine the pain, nor do I want to. I hope i've not offended anyone on here - If I did, I apologize to all of you. Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 22, 2005 4:55 PM "Go in peace" as in starving to death. How humane. Now I know what some people really think of severe disabled people. Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 4:56 PM Mike-- your position isn't a new one. Your points and questions have been answered numerous times. That's why people here are getting tired of answering them. It's not that we can't defend against challenging positions. There are numerous resources here and on other sites that which explain and support what we're doing. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 4:56 PM Susan, Yes, I do believe she will go in peace. I do not believe she will feel pain (please do not send me articles to read - i have read several). This is simply waht I believe, i know you believe differently and that's fine. I really just want to see Terri, and the entire family put this behind them. I wish they had "good" memories to have when she is gone - but now they don't. They'll remember her as she was for the past 15 years - i find that very sad. Again, just my opinion. Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 22, 2005 4:58 PM Why do they keep saying how peaceful she will be when she passes on? Will that because of all the medication she will be on? That is just ridiculous for the doctors to keep saying that. Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 4:59 PM If we wish to avoid having this blog supporting Terri's right to live "hijacked," it might be best not to respond anymore to any of the taunts and jabs offered by the minority who think they're "right" that Terri really wants to die, or who say we can't defend our positions/beliefs just because this blog was not created for debate on the issue, or that we can't think for ourselves or we don't welcome both sides of the story (which BTW, we HAVE read already). or who ignore the truths the MSM refuses to publicize. We support Terri's right to live. Period. That alone makes any correct assumptions IMPOSSIBLE about our individual or collective views on any. other. aspect. of moral or ethical opinions.
WE "are simply trying to make you understand" that we disagree with you who think she wants to die. So to all the following: let's agree to disagree: ignu, If you have nothing to say in support of Terri's right to live, then don't bother, as your obvious need to foist your opinions, erroneous assumptions and/or insults on us is not what we were born to fulfill. We're not foisting our opinion on you. No one has ever asked or forced you to come here. You can accuse us of having closed minds all you want. It matters not, since I don't value your opinions, even if I respect your right to have them. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:01 PM I will have the audio of the nurse on my blog after it is played. Feel free to use it in any way. Posted by: Austin at March 22, 2005 5:03 PM Please keep calling Nancy's office. Please keep calling Nancy's office. Save Terri. Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 5:04 PM Thank you for the link again Austin. Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 5:05 PM Linked currently on Drudge http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Lana+Jacobs&ei=UTF-8&c=news_photos Lana Jacobs, a St. Francis Catholic worker was arrested for trying to give Terri water. Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 5:07 PM You said it AnnieB, simply put Michael didnt offer that information before receiving 1.7 million it was only after, that is very creepy. And for him to remain her guardian while having a adulterous affair is even more creepy. Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 5:10 PM I've supported Republicans for ten years with my time and money, but I can't understand why someone isn't taking custody of Terri. Our government had the courage in the 60's to call out National Guard to escort black kids into schools, but my government is allowing a disabled woman to be denied her civil rights (as she slowly dies). I'm going to drop out of politics if Terri dies because no one would even attempt to give her a spoonful of soup. I'd rather not vote at all, than support a country that allows involuntary euthanasia (and I've sent emails to Congress and Whitehouse letting them know my feelings). Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 5:12 PM 127 more YES votes on that vote.com question about Bush's bill for Terri's life, since the post on it above at 3:46 PM... http://www.vote.com/vResults/index.phtml?voteID=60341751&cat=4075633 Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:13 PM Here is the partitial transcript with Dr. Hammesfahr on Hannity and Colms last night: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151148,00.html He was wonderful! Send any senator you talk to there! Posted by: Suzanne. at March 22, 2005 5:13 PM God bless her! BTW, here's something interesting from EmpireJoural.com Another possibility? Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 22, 2005 5:14 PM Do you realize that without mechanical assistance, any attempt to "feed" Terri water could cause her to drown as her body is INCAPABLE of processing food and water normally. Water ingested through the mouth could go to her lungs instead of her stomach. Damn, keep grasping folks. Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2005 5:14 PM Show us the polls, like I'm showing you the one at vote.com . It's still 66% in favor of helping Terri's fight for her life. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:14 PM And to Mike above, I wonder how the polls would have looked if you had polled a bunch of crackers in 1962 on should we lynch black people or treat them like human beings. Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 5:15 PM Does anyone know where you can get a text version of Carla Iyer's interview or a copy of her affidavit? I do not have speakers. :( Posted by: Bill at March 22, 2005 5:15 PM Love it, noisy ghost! Love it. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:16 PM All, Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 5:18 PM SHOW US THE POLLS, Mike. If you quote 'em, you gotta show 'em. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:18 PM And, Mike, I thought you said that post on the so-called polls you cite was the "last one"? Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:20 PM SOURCES, Mike, Links. Otherwise, how to verify? Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:21 PM Do not feed the trolls... Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 5:22 PM Do we know what is being *done* for her at this very moment? Sitting here arguing with these people is pointless. It seems people are just *waiting* for her to die. So, so sickening. Posted by: Mo at March 22, 2005 5:23 PM JUST SAY NO TO TROLLS.. Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 5:23 PM Sarah, the MSNBC link comes up with a blank page. pls. see if you can provide the full URL? Thanks. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:23 PM I haven't heard anything lately on any new developments. :-( Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 5:24 PM Noisy, You are employing what is known in debate as a straw man argumant. You are drawing inferences as a distraction from the facts presented and, additionally, the inference is not germaine to the argument. The polls are conducted NATIONWIDE, not locally or regionally. So, if one were to ask "crackers" about lynchings, the outcome would indeed be skewed. Much like taking a poll here. But, since the polls are nationwide and done utilizing rigorous polling science then they are more reflective of actual feelings. Nice try though. Don't play in the big pool unless you can swim. Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2005 5:25 PM Sirena you have to be a child or someone who doesnt think with reason. All you seem to do no matter what people say is call them names and refuse to put anything with substance on this site to back your point of view. All you have been able to state is what has been played out in the news. Fish through the garbage and look at the hard facts. And Mike I agree with you. Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 5:25 PM When I clicked on it, it came up just fine. BTW, it's the source for Mike's post. I happened to post it right before he posted himself. You can always goggle his text, I'm sure it will find the article. Posted by: Sarah at March 22, 2005 5:25 PM Do not feed the trolls. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 5:26 PM No longer feeding the trolls: Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 5:26 PM Okay, Mike. You got me. I'm not an expert in polls. I have worked for over ten years in the medical field, including about five years in hospice. I was a home health aide, Certified Nurse Assistant, Medical Records Clerk, and Office Manager for one of the largest hospices in the state of Oklahoma. I have personally heard Terri respond in audio tapes that are widely available on Drudge and other places, and, with what little I can judge from them, from my medical opinion, Terri is not PVS. She is also not, by definition, hospice appropriate or terminally ill. I'll be satisfied when she is appointed an independant guardian, but I guess you'll only be satisfied when she's dead. Why don't you stick to the polls and I'll stick to the medical topics? Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 5:32 PM Sorry, I'll stop feeding the trolls. Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 5:34 PM I am not here to debate. I am here to support Terri and her supporters. Period. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 5:34 PM Well I would rather be a troll with a strong and factual opinion then a person of pure arrogance and incompentances that spew nothing but opinions not based on facts or intellect. Sirena has nothing constructive to offer to this other then "Dont feed the trolls" . How intelligent. Make sure you tell your mom you are playing on her computer. And by the way. The feeding tube has NOTTTTTT been removed. The feedings have been DISCONTINUED!! For the tube to be fully removed that requires surgery. It is just clamped off and food and nutrients has been discontinued. People need to get their facts straight or go do a search on the procedure of removing a feeding tube. Before someone sits here and starts spewing more non based factual information. Read up first!! Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 5:34 PM Because the media have painted this story as a "right to die" case, most people aren't really aware of the particulars Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 5:35 PM Annie: as far as I see it there are 3 kinds of people who come here and leave comments. One is the moderate group who have formed their opinion and are willing to defend it because they believe in it, yet are also open enough to understand that different people can look at the same information and come to differing conclusions. The next group is the extremist (on either side) who for whatever reason have pick a point of view and will defend it blindly and lash out with contempt and hatred at anyone who even dares to speak their own mind and offer a different point of view. The third group has little opinion except for the childish need to provoke and incite anger. Noone in the first group is chanting "die Terri die" but show obvious respect for your feelings and opinions so I find it just a bit sad that you'd lump them all together into one group onto which you can vent your frustration. Finally, without challenging your opinion or detracting from it. Terri's husband wasn't the only account that indicated that Terri might not have had the wish to be left in a state with no hope of recovery. Do note my choice of words in the last sentence. Even if Terri had had a living will that indicated what her husband and others allege I doubt it would have made a whole lot of difference. Posted by: Vanessa at March 22, 2005 5:38 PM Well, there sure are a lot of trolls posting here, but some of them obviously don't mean to be, just are under the impression this is a debate forum! I apologize for any time I've helped further that impression by answering objections. Maybe we should point people asking questions and making arguments to somewhere where they *can* do so? Not to further the argument, but because it's interesting reading for anyone who wants to know about PVS, what it is, what it isn't, and how it's diagnosed, I'd like to share this with you. In his article on PVS, leading neurologist D. Alan Shewmon, Professor of Neurology and Pediatrics, David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA, describes perfectly the attitude we've seen in the Schiavo case on the part of some doctors. (ABC of PVS: Brain Death and Disorders of Consciousness, Ed. Machado, Shewmon, 2004) What often happens in these cases is that a neurologist will spend ten of fifteen minutes examining the patient, elicit some brain-stem and spinal cord reflexes, not observe any evidence of consciousness, and declare the patient to be in VS. But nurses or family members, who spend all day with the patient, may notice subtle signs of adaptive interaction with the environment, perhaps only intermittently. Too often their observations are dismissed as 'subjective,' 'denial' or 'projection.' Sometimes that is the case, but in other times, the one in denial is the proud physician who refuses to be diagnostically contradicted by non-physicians. Whose 'evidence' counts? Shewmon is not considered a fringe nutjob, though his ideas are obviously fairly controversial and not the last word on the subject, he's done a great deal of ground-breaking research and is quite respected even by people like pro-euthanasia doctor Cranford who was the lead court appointed physician in the Schiavo case. Medical opinion about PVS and its diagnosis is really not as universal as George Felos would like it thought. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 5:39 PM Mike- since there are allegations of abuse, should they not be investigated? Terri not only had broken bones but signs of neck injury seen in only one type- strangulation. Should this just be ignored? If there is such serious doubt that Michael Schiavo was acting in Terri's best interest, shouldn't there be a proper investigation? There hasn't been. The courts have been going over the same old stuff. I don't understand why recommended therapy and rehabilitation was denied by Michael. He claimed he talked to numerous doctors who told him Terri can't be helped. Did he just choose to ignore all the experts saying she COULD be helped? I mean, come on, he DENIED ALL COMFORTS TO HER. People are trying to sweep this all under the rug, and that's a danger to everyone-- those who are in similar states as Terri, and all of us who could be. That's just one reason why people are so passionate about this case. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 5:40 PM Err.. That paragraph What often happens in these cases is that a neurologist will spend ten of fifteen minutes examining the patient, elicit some brain-stem and spinal cord reflexes, not observe any evidence of consciousness, and declare the patient to be in VS. But nurses or family members, who spend all day with the patient, may notice subtle signs of adaptive interaction with the environment, perhaps only intermittently. Too often their observations are dismissed as 'subjective,' 'denial' or 'projection.' Sometimes that is the case, but in other times, the one in denial is the proud physician who refuses to be diagnostically contradicted by non-physicians. Whose 'evidence' counts? was meant to be in italics. It's the quote from Shewmon. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 5:41 PM But apparently this blog doesn't allow italics. Oh well. :-) Vanessa, I don't know if seeming irrationalists are really extremists or people under a lot of stress relating poorly to the internet. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 5:43 PM Eileen, You're mixing apples and oranges. These doctors are comparing SYMPTOMS, not pathologies. Terri physically HAS NO CEREBRAL cortex. The area of tissue is now mostly spinal fluid. Therefore, there is NOTHING to be rehabilitated. Regardless of whether the result of a lack of a cortex means her relflexive responses are SIMILAR to that of a stroke patient is irrelevant as stroke patients still have the raw material that can respond to rehabilitation. Like I said, keep grasping. Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2005 5:44 PM Kate Adamson, who appeared on Fox News’s O’Reilly Factor on November 6, recounted her own chilling story. She had also been diagnosed as in a PVS, and doctors removed her feeding tube. I could see and hear everything going on around me, and I had no way...of communicating with anyone…. I was completely paralyzed…. When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I was—thought I was—going insane. I was screaming out [in her mind], “Don’t you know I need to eat?” ...Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had mentioned last week that it’s a pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube removed. It is the exact opposite. It was sheer torture... Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 5:48 PM Shewmon is lauded for having proved that hydranencephalic children, with most of their cortices missing, had cognizance and feelings of pain. This is interesting, since Terri Schiavo has much of her cortex destroyed. He wrote regarding this discovery. "The hydranencephalic children described above clearly exeperienced pain, as do newborns and fetuses with relatively non-functioning cortices. Therefore, when adults or other children with similar acquired lesions withdraw limbs, grimace and cry to noxious stimuli, on what grounds can anyone assert that these responses are "merely primative reflexes," even if the motor reaction is simple and stereotyped?" This is, I think, a question that defenders of Terri's dehydration need to answer. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 5:48 PM To Terri Supporters and trolls:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matt 25:34-46 Posted by: Tom Spence at March 22, 2005 5:51 PM Amy, Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 5:53 PM Nope, not a doctor. My medical knowledge is valid enough that it fills hundreds of patient charts, and has been the main source of information for dozens of doctors and nurses. At my hospice (and inside healthcare), the observations of all of the medical staff are considered valuable. Only people outside of healthcare lend doctors such mystical authority. I would be satisfied to let Terri die, because I realize that my specific knowledge is incomplete. I can not accept, however, that Terri has not had an independant ombudsman or guardian appointed her case (since 1992ish), despite the obvious questions about her condition. Why are you so intent on her dying? Would you support an uninvolved, outside party appointed on behalf of Terri's well-being? If not, why? Posted by: noisy ghost at March 22, 2005 5:53 PM Yes, I really am quibbling over the difference between having no cortex and having one mostly destroyed. So does Professor Shewmon, whose credentials I've stated above. You're turning a rational issue into an emotional one when you start talking about "splitting hairs." That's your *feeling* about the science, not a response to Shewmon's points based in extensive research. As I've said, I've no idea why you keep talking about stroke victims. I've at no time brought up stroke victims. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 6:01 PM Ruth, 5 minutes ago it was mj.lily@verizon.net. He keeps changing it. He's indeed a troll, and a "lovely" little minion of Michael... Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 6:04 PM Hadden, he has stayed by her side? Do you think he is thinking of Terri when he was having sex with his mistress of 10 years. Give me a break. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 6:13 PM Ugh, I lost my post to Mike and Hadden. So... short version. Mike, the claims weren't investigated. The judge wouldn't allow them. Hadden, I don't give a care if it offends you, Michael Schiavo, or anyone else, allegations of abuse should be investigated. Why am I not crazy about Michael? Because I've read up on his lies. Don't talk to me about his staying married to Terri as "devotion"- his devotion to his spouse flew out the window when he started having extra-marital affairs. And Michael Schiavo is not honoring his wife's wishes because no one knows what they were. He's contradicted himself about Terri's wishes, and has said he doesn't know what she wanted. The judge then appointed a guardian ad litem, Richard Pearse, to investigate Michael’s fitness as guardian and to make a recommendation about Terri’s feeding tube. Pearse interviewed the various parties, including doctors, and issued his report in December 1998 recommending against Michael’s fitness as guardian and against removing Terri’s feeding tube. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 6:17 PM Didn't Michael Schiavo have a gf when he sued for malpractice? Didn't he threaten Terri's sister with violence? Didn't the first gf say MS has anger management issues? Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 6:18 PM Mike, there's a great deal of money at stake, as well as multiple professional reputations. I'm surprised you wouldn't see the possibility of abuse of the system, or the conflicts of interests.
Posted by: Bostonian at March 22, 2005 6:20 PM Ruth, Yes, yes, and yes. And I heard from 3 of Terri's friends on Hannity and Colmes last night and they all can attest that Michael Schiavo was controlling and abusive to Terri. But the Judges don't want to hear it -- they have better things to worry about, right? *sigh* Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 6:20 PM Hadden: "accusation of abuse has only come from the family." Er... and several nurses. Posted by: Bostonian at March 22, 2005 6:22 PM Bostonian, you've got your finger on it. I really think that no matter what happens to poor Terri, this case has brought attention to the woeful ignorance of most people about brain damage. I've heard so many people saying Terri is "brain dead" when not even Judge Greer or George Felos would say such a ridiculous thing. Some serious education is needed. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 6:23 PM What kind of husband checks his wife's mileage in the car??? Ans: Michael Schiavo Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 6:23 PM Hadden, we don't know that Michael is trying to respect his wife's wishes. We KNOW that he CLAIMS he is doing so. Posted by: Bostonian at March 22, 2005 6:23 PM Well Sirena do you think he should have stayed alone for 10 years. Not got to experience the joys of a family? I am sure that is NOT what terri would have wanted. It is selfish to think he should be alone and have no companion. And yes he has stayed by terri's side. Just because he is having a normal and loving relationship with someone and has children you want to condem him? Who made you God?? And he is fighting for what his wife's wishes were. If something happened to you, would you want to deny your husband some form of happiness or a chance at a family? If you do then you are a selfish woman and i dont see how you can say you are compassionate then. If you truly love someone you wish for their happiness. What a sick way of phrasing michaels life. "Sex" Shows that you are willing to accuse and jump the gun on someone because they are trying to having some kind of normality in their life. But then I guess your perfect and nothing even goes wrong in your life. God help the world if it does. Posted by: hadden at March 22, 2005 6:24 PM http://www.theempirejournal.com/03220507_hospice_nurse_fired_for.htm Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 6:26 PM Eileen, I don't think it's just that people confuse brain damage and brain death. I think it is that some percentage of people consider a person to be human only if he or she has language ability--or the possibility of gaining that some day. But none of these people have been able to show me any difference between Terri's case and that of, for example, advanced Alzheimer's patients or stroke victims. Posted by: Bostonian at March 22, 2005 6:29 PM Hadden, I believe in marriage vows. In sickness or in health. When one marries, one agrees to a lot of hardship and unhappiness, so arguments about how unhappy it would have been for Michael to stay faithful make no sense to anyone who believes in the vows he took when he married Terri. You think Terri's basically dead, so that doesn't matter to you, but we don't. Posted by: Eileen R at March 22, 2005 6:31 PM Hadden, No, I expect a man to either stand by his wife, through sickness or health, OR divorce her and get on with his life. He chose to do neither, so that's another way he shows he doesn't give a rip about anyone but himself. Did you know that when Terri collapsed she had pet cats? Did you know that she thought of them like her babies? Did you know that Terri's parents said that they'd Terri's cats and care for them, but that Michael said, "forget it" and decided to have them euthanized instead? (perfectly healthy cats). Yes, that's a man who truly cares... sheesh. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 6:33 PM Hadden, you're missing the point, which is that Michael's behavior is inconsistent to the point of head spinning. Either he feels so very passionately about his wife's wishes (AS HE CLAIMS THEY ARE--in which case, if he cares so much about that vow, what about the other one? ...Or he wants to move on with life (and who wouldn't)--in which case, why can't he let Terri's parents take care of her as they are begging to do? **** Posted by: Bostonian at March 22, 2005 6:37 PM http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html For all you on the liquified brain bandwagon. Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 6:40 PM Everything has to be HIS way, because he's a control freak. Seriously. Not saying this people I don't like the man, but his actions honestly speak loudly of an abusive person and a control freak. Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 6:42 PM Sarah, I found these: That's 501 adults. www.Vote.com, as of this comment, has 4,353 non-duplicated votes counted, still with 67% saying Yes, Bush was right to pass Terri's Law. 2) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6882072/ Even though this claims to be a GOP partisan pollster, it's also referred to as "a public relations firm that polls for Republican candidates" and there's at least two folks who think they lack the wherewithall to be legitimate or even accurate pollsters: http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2005/03/more_on_dueling.html#more (read both the post and hardcore Democratic commenter) 3) OK, now it's coming up for me: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7260411/ This appears to be the same as the one in #1: Interestingly, that same ABC poll found that 44% of respondents "have not been following this issue closely at all." http://www.pollingreport.com/news.htm So how informed are they really to answer the questions? 44% of them are not aware of all that we're aware of! That ABC poll also phrased the "feeding tube" question with the following inaccurate information: "Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible." Firstly, yes, she suffered brain damage, but no she has not been on life support for 15 years. She has no breathing assistance, and only has "required" the feeding tube. We learned this week that she has been in fact fed soft foods but that Michael Schiavo won't permit it. Secondly, she IS conscious. Doctors have testified to that. We've seen videos. HEARD audios. Other doctors have testified that she could improve with rehab. How is that "irreversible?" TBC also phrased the federal intervention question with this set-up, "Federal courts have said they don't have jurisdiction because it involves Florida law only. Would you support or oppose a new federal law requiring the federal courts to review the Schiavo case?" Not once did they say, as I noted above, as Attorney Sekulow said last night on Lehrer News Hour, that the federal gov't HAS LEGALLY stepped in before on behalf of CORPORATIONS and groups of corporations in an industry to allow such federal oversight, as well as it's been done for convicts on death row before too. It begs the question of us all: what would the polled answers have been if the liberal ABC had asked them with all THIS EXTRA factual information? The polls can be slanted any. way. the. pollster. wants. Reader, beware. A final interesting question was asked, shown at the http://www.pollingreport.com/news.htm summary of the poll, but not reported on by the MSM: "Have you had any friends or family members who passed away in a hospital or other care facility after life support was iscontinued, or not?" A full 66% said no. That many of the respondents had no clue what Terri and the Schindlers are going through, having never been through it themselves. Posted by: Annie B. at March 22, 2005 7:59 PM Simon, this is like saying oh there are so many people starving in this world, so either I help everyone or no one. No life is more important than the one dying who is at risk in front of you. Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 9:27 PM www.Vote.com's tally as of right now, on the question, "Was Bush Right To Sign A New Law Letting Terri Schiavo’s Parents Seek Restoration of Feeding Tube?", on Day 3 of the vote, is: Total Votes Cast: 5,477 That's 1,115 more YES votes than when I first posted this link yesterday. Posted by: Annie B. at March 23, 2005 2:01 PM    Recent Entries
Categories
Archives
Friends
Franciscan Brothers of Peace ProLifeBlogs The Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity Not Dead Yet Wesley J. Smitht News
North Country Gazette Catholic World ews MichNews.com LifeSiteNews WorldNetDaily LifeNews CNSNews Pat Campbell Helpful Sites |
Mention Dr. Hammesfahr - he actually examined Terri for 10 hours and knows her condition well. Nobel prize nominee, expert in neuroglogically damaged people. HE says she can swallow, too. Sworn affidavit. Says she is capable of gaining abilities with rehabilitation.
See the piece here on Blogsforterri if need be!
Posted by: shana at March 22, 2005 1:50 PM