If Terri cannot feel, why is she being given morphine?

Posted by: Leo Wong at March 28, 2005 11:27 AM

If this was being done to one of our disabled American citizens in ANOTHER COUNTRY, our Government would be raising HELL and intervening against it!

Posted by: Raquel at March 28, 2005 11:34 AM

that's a pretty good point Leo, I bet the doctors would say it is to keep her comfortable. But again if she is not able to feel then why?

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 11:40 AM

I'm sure, of course, that Mr. Felos would say that such reactions are just involuntary reflexes, common for a person in PVS...

Posted by: cvaldivia93 at March 28, 2005 11:52 AM

Where are those friends?? Have them come forward and give a statement!! ANYTHING!!

Posted by: Foug at March 28, 2005 11:57 AM

Shalom ~ I did not hear about the morphine. When did this begin? And any "official" word on why it is being given? A pro-euthanasia nurse I know is saying this is not euthanasia because a drug has to be given to cause death. Is that what the morphine is for in this instance, to hasten? Please provide any links or sources that can confirm or deny so my information is accurate. Thank you.

Posted by: Chana Meira at March 28, 2005 12:14 PM

You people are MORONS!!!.....This woman has been for all intense purposes dead for years. How many of you can honestly call lying in a hospital bed as a vegetable living??? Read this and comment I dare you!!

So-called 'defenders of life,' where were you when ... ?
By FROMA HARROP

I have a question for all those "culture of life" people praying in front of Terri Schiavo's hospital: Where were you last week when President Bush and the Republican Congress were pushing to cut Medicaid? Medicaid is the medical lifeline for the poor. And, by the way, it is picking up some of Schiavo's hospital bills.

Are you aware of your inconsistency? Or are you just pawns of the Republican Party?

You fixate over a woman who has hung in a vegetative state for 15 years, but stand mute as 45 million of your fellow Americans go without any health coverage. More than 18,000 adult Americans die every year for lack of health insurance, according to the Institute of Medicine in Washington.

Perhaps you'd like to hear the story of another woman, Annette Arrico. A divorced mother, Arrico ran a tiny beauty parlor in Rhode Island, serving mostly elderly ladies. After expenses, she took home only $150 a week and could not afford health insurance.

Some years ago, Arrico found a lump in her breast. She knew the lump meant trouble, but she tried to ignore it.

"I had all I could do to bring up our daughter," she said at the time.

Pushed by her daughter, Arrico finally saw a doctor, but by then it was too late to help her. She subsequently died.

There are thousands of Annette Arricos among us today. Lacking health insurance, they do not seek preventive care and avoid getting a diagnosis. That's why the mortality rate from cancer is up to two times higher for uninsured people than those with coverage, says a Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation study.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has spent the past year plumping up his "pro-life" credentials with grand displays of hypocrisy. He made a big show of inserting himself into the Schiavo case — basically denying a husband's rights as his wife's legal guardian. While doing that, Bush presided over the unspeakable act of throwing 105,000 poor children off the state's health-insurance program.

Where were the religious leaders then, and where were their followers?

"I see many religious groups stepping forward and saying it's wrong to take a feeding tube from Terri," says Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. "I don't hear anything about it being wrong not to vaccinate tens of thousands of children. The Congress still accepts the reality of uninsured children in America, which is beyond the moral pale."

But the "pro-life" advocates have nonetheless rallied to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and Wisconsin Rep. James Sensenbrenner, as they make political hay off the Schiavo tragedy.

That "leaders" of disability groups would add their praise is beyond comprehension. After all, Americans with disabilities get most of their funding from Medicaid. Frist, Delay and Sensenbrenner were directing the attack on the program. The disabled might ask why their alleged spokesman did not stop them.

Here is another question for the "pro-life" folks: Where were you two weeks ago, when the Senate voted to toughen the nation's bankruptcy laws? The bill made no distinction between debt run up in a casino and debt run up in a hospital. A recent Harvard study found that nearly half of the personal bankruptcies were caused by unexpected medical bills. Funny, but I don't recall any spiritual leaders rushing to protect families in a medical crisis from losing all in a bankruptcy.

Of course, the Schiavo case is ripe for political exploitation. The following memo was sent to Republican senators: "The pro-life base will be excited that the Senate is debating this important issue."

To the pliant members of the "pro-life" base: Follow your orders, and get excited over a poor woman who can neither think nor emote and for whom doctors can do nothing. Interfere with a husband's decision to end medical treatment for a wife who has floated between life and death for 15 years.

Then sit back as your political masters try to cut the programs that help the sick, the frail and the dying. Let credit card companies harass families overwhelmed by medical expenses.

You have every right to call yourselves "defenders of life." Just as long as no one else has to.

Posted by: kcd at March 28, 2005 12:30 PM

Go away, just because we are active regarding this issue does not mean we are not active about others too. As far as I can see, noone here is revealing political stripes because it's not relevant. How dare you assert that since there is injustice in many parts of the world, that we shouldn't bother to fight injustice here.

Posted by: RightAlltheTime at March 28, 2005 12:43 PM

"You people are MORONS!!!"

Gee kcd, nice ad hominem attack to start your post. Very courteous to those of us who are hurting over here. Thanks for your compassion...

Posted by: cvaldivia93 at March 28, 2005 12:50 PM

Troll Alert: KCD

Read the facts before you post.

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 1:00 PM

Annette Arrico should not have died because she could not afford diagnosis and treatment. Much... very much needs to change in this country with regard to health care.

But as I tried to point out to a friend who sent me a similar argument, there is no reason to give up fighting for the life of one person who has been the victim of bad treatment at the hands of our system because faceless millions may be suffering from other types of neglect or injustice. The answer is not to fight for either/or, but to fight for both.

For many (most?) Americans, living up to their duty as citizens by informing themselves about legislation and telling their legislators what they want, or voting in legislators who will give them what they want, is not as easy as making a decision about a single case. How many of us took the time to study the Medicaid debate or the discussion on changing bankruptcy laws? What proportion of citizens take no active part in the formulating of laws at all?

What you call "fixation" is just an example of how until an individual's story and situation gets under our skin, we Americans tend to be apathetic about our civic duties.

The answer is not to rid ourselves of "fixations" on isolated cases brought to our attention, but to rid ourselves of the laziness that allows Congress to pass legislation every day without the input of ordinary citizens.

A country does not have to be this way. Italians, as one example, are far more politically aware than we in this country are. They are interested in what goes on around them, in cafes all over the country you can hear ordinary folks passionately debating issues of politics and policy.

We need more attention to all legislation, not less involvement in the rare case that attracts sudden and well-publicized legislation.

Rae

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at March 28, 2005 1:00 PM

KCD,
First of all, I don't believe this is a website to debate Medicare/Medicaid. We are here supporting a disabled woman who is being slowly executed for a crime she did not commit. Second, I notice you don't site your source for the article you posted-because the media tends to be heavily biased, I would be interested to know where you got the article. And third, I don't mind being called a "moron", because I know it is a sign of immaturity on the part of the one doing the name-calling. However, I do take offense to you referring to a Terri Schaivo, a human being, as a "vegetable." No person, no matter how disabled or comatose they may be, is ever on the level of a vegetable. And until you yourself are in the position Terri is, you, or anyone else for that matter, cannot pontificate on how you would feel. Until you have suffered to the degree she and her real family have, please don't project what you think you may do onto them.

Posted by: JIHC at March 28, 2005 1:05 PM

kcd-- you've proven your brain wasn't engaged when you posted. I feel sorry that you're screaming out uninformed parroting of the media and haven't bothered to actually think for yourself. That aside, you've come to the wrong forum. We're here to support Terri Schinder-Schiavo, not to debate Medicare and health insurance. Do we not care about those causes? Of course we care. But this isn't the right place to discuss it.

Posted by: Foug at March 28, 2005 1:09 PM

Oh, and another thing. I wrote, in my earlier entry, "How many of us took the time to study the Medicaid debate or the discussion on changing bankruptcy laws?" There is another civic misdemeanor we may be guilty of.

How many of us. instead of taking the time to look at the Medicaid debate or the bankruptcy law issue, formed an opinion based solely on political identification? How many looked to the media to tell them what the Blue State or Red State stand should be and decided without looking any further?

The media is simplistic. The Red State/Blue State dichotomy is an easy way to portray America as a sharply divided country. It's an easy way to get Americans to see themselves as sharply divided. And what an easy but useless that is to approach civic matters.

Politics has to change in this country. We have to begin doing our civic duty, informing ourselves intelligently on issues, and refusing to be co-opted by politicians and media folk who believe that we are too dumb to do anything more than be herded around like sheep.

It's time for a wake-up call. We need some old fashioned civics lessons. "How does a bill become a law?" You can be a player, in the civic scene, or you can be played. We all need to be players.

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at March 28, 2005 1:16 PM

kcd your sad,,I am a dem. and I live in oregon where we voted for the assisted suicide law, BUT this has nothing to do with politics it is a human life, whether she is laying in a bed or not she is still very much alive and you see that glow of hers on the video!Everyone of us deserves, no wait we should not have to fight for the right to live!

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 1:18 PM

KCD...Don't name call! Not appropriate! We are all Americans here and have a right to speak our opinions and our minds. These people are not "Morons" but concerned about the starvation of a living human being. Even if she is brain dead (which technically she is not) she has all other bodily functions besides the ability to eat. (which may or may not have changed if she had been receiving the proper rehabilitation). No one should be deprived of food and/or water. It is barbaric and inhumane....PERIOD!

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 1:22 PM

Foug: I saw on Fox News a friend of Terri's make a statement that at the time of her collapse she and Michael were talking about divorce. That is where we have all heard it. Its not made up by the people in this forum but I cannot attest to the authenticity and truth of the friend.

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 1:28 PM

So Saddened: It was Kevin who posted about the divorce thing, not me :P

Kevin: If you'd take some time to do some research you'd find a lot of your own points answered. It's a matter of public record that Michael Schiavo said in a passing casual convo with Terri after a movie, she said "no tubes for me." That was the "hard evidence" of what Terri's wishes were. It is also a matter of public record that he told one of his mistresses he and Terri never had talked about such things and he had no idea what she'd want. And, he himself said he didn't know what Terri wanted but he's doing what he wants (CNN, Larry King a short while ago. See transcripts.)
Terri was Catholic her entire life, and that has NEVER been disputed.
Why should we think of Michael Schiavo as anything other than a loving husband? My God, man, use your head! The man hides medical records showing Terri's broken bones and neck injury consistant with ONE type of injury, that being strangulation. He goes to court in a malpractice suit and cries about how he believes in his marriage vows and loves his wife, knows her life span is 50+ more years, and that the malpractice money would do toward caring for Terri for the rest of her life, providing therapies and rehabilitation, etc. Three months after receiving the settlement, he signed a DNR order for her , ordered all medical care, therapies, and treatments to cease, and refused to allow her to be treated for a life-threatening infection. It all goes downhill from there. These events, and MANY MANY MORE are DOCUMENTED... it's not just hearsay (as is Michael's testimony to Terri's wishes.) I don't pretend to know the truth, but I think this warrants a criminal investigation.

Posted by: Foug at March 28, 2005 1:51 PM

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(If I understand their copywrite law I can post and send the first paragraph of thier articles. Anyone who thinks this has been handled well has just simply not done their homework.)

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 1:59 PM

Sorry Foug...new here and read it wrong. I totally agree with your views 100% and it all just sickens me! These guardian laws need to be changed...its obvious to me that parents or other relatives should have some say in the care and outcome of such situations. AND...it really upsets me that after Michael's wishes are granted and Terri is dead...he cant even let her family have her lifeless body to bury as they wish. I am sorry but her family has cared and loved her for her for her WHOLE life...they should have some say in all this!

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 2:03 PM

I have to wonder if the President bush, Govenor Bush, the Congressmen, Tom Delay etc. know any of the information that is published at the Empire Journal what exactly is the deal? It is looking suspiciously like all talk no action.

I wish I could do more. We will do all that we can to save Terri. I am going after Judge Greer for contempt of congress. I don't have the power you think I have. etc.....

These kinds of statements fall pretty flat when you start reading the information available to all of them and the legal professionals that have tried to step in. What the heck is going on?

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 2:10 PM

Kevin,
Since when did eating food and drinking water become "artificial means" to keeping one alive? Every person walking around in shoe leather needs food and water to live a healthy life. I think the starving children in Ethiopia would attest to that.

I would like to suggest to you that before you make comments, you attempt to collect information from as many sources as possible. You have demonstrated your neglect for investigation because your comments echo everything Michael Schaivo, HIS family, and HIS legal team have stated. Terri's family, as well as several of her friends, have stated that Michael and Terri's marriage was very troubled, and Terri spoke numerous times of wanting to divorce Michael. In fact, the night before her collapse, she confided to her family that she was going to tell Michael she was leaving him. They begged her not to go home to him, but she did. The next day, she was found face-down on the floor. The paramedics called the police in because they thought it was a homocide. This fact is in the police and legal documentation. However, based on your comments, I am sure you also believe George Felos when he says that Terri looks more beautiful and serene now that she is being starved/dehydrated to death than she has ever looked. Again, in direct contradiction to what her brother, sister, and the spokesman for the family has said; she looks like a victim of Auschwitz. (I don't remember any pictures of concentration camp victims looking serene and beautiful...)
Those who support Terri's right to live do not claim to know all the facts. The major concern in this case is that there is a TREMENDOUS contradiction in facts, not only from the family, but also the MEDICAL community. This alone should be enough to err on the side of life, long enough to do a more thorough investigation. However, Michael Schaivo, who you have defended, has not allowed any kind of investigation, and insists Terri should die. All while he is shacking up with another woman, and has two children with her.

Posted by: JIHC at March 28, 2005 2:21 PM

Kevin said: "Husbands and wives communicate. They share things with one another that they do not necessarily share with others."

I guess you've never been in a bad marriage, Kevin. Lucky you.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 28, 2005 2:25 PM

Kevin,

Um yes, judges and attorneys can have hidden agendas. If this is not the case then why the heck are the liberals in the Senate filibustering President Bush's nominations to the Supreme Court?

Posted by: JIHC at March 28, 2005 2:28 PM

Kevin,

Acctually if you were to take a little time and do your homework on this case. Read the transcripts from court, the medical records, the court documnets, testimonies from family, nurses, caregivers and physicians. Take some time and read about the people who have tried to get some action in this case. Read all of the documents available here at the documents area, go to Terrisfight and read the legal documents available there, go to The Empire Journal and read the articles pertaining to the Terri Schiavo case, then you may be able to comprehend why the people here feel as they do.

Better to appear the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!

The things you have brought up only indicate that you do nothing but wait for your facts to be spoon fed to you by the media.

I don't know what the deal is with the media and why the are unable to report things accurately. I thought that was supposed to be the idea of reporting. Yet the son of a neighbor of ours was killed in an accident several years ago and it was never reported accurately. Nothing political, it should have been a simple task yet there was not one newspaper article nor televised news report that got the facts correct.

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 2:34 PM

Kevin, actually on Larry King he said, "we don't know what Terri wants, this is what we want..." Raises a few questions there as to what an agenda might be.

I, and many others, are not claiming to know what Michael Schiavo wants. (I don't think I want to even approach the same wave length he is on.) What we are attempting to do is stop the ENFORCED starvation of a woman who had been swallowing nourishment and was forced to stop. (nurses have given testimony, check www.theempirejournal.com or previous blogs here). The feeding tube was inserted as convenience. She has not had a recent (>12 years) testing for swallowing or brain function.

Conspiracy? Who knows? I just want the death march to end and her to be restored to the care of people who are trying to take care of her, not kill her. And for the uneducated and uninformed, that WOULD BE HER PARENTS AND SIBLINGS. In case you haven't noticed, this is called the "blogsforTerri" site. If you want to support Michael Schiavo or George Felos, perhaps they have a website elsewhere. Go away.

Posted by: I hope at March 28, 2005 2:38 PM

Ignore the trolls and let's focus on what we can do.

Are any human rights organizations filing any cases? I think with an injustice like this happening right in front of our eyes, shouldnt any one be able to file a police complaint or court case?

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 2:45 PM

With Judge Shames and Judge Greer's campaigns being supported by oh so many of the players in this case and the fact that Judge Greer has made rulings so amazingly one sided based on hearsay evidence from people who have a conflict of interest. When you start to discover that all of these folks have worked together and know each other and realize that the law to have food and water classed as medical treatment amazingly was passed with the help of many of these people right at the time Michael wanted to pull the plug on Terri.

Tack onto that the idea that the Shindlers went to Mr. Shames about having Michael removed as Terri's gaurdian but couldn't afford him and then he ran for judge and was given the very case they had spoken to him about and he didn't remove himself from it and the Shindler's lawyer didn't demand it....

A little homework goes a long way to clearing up any misconceptions about this case.

Strangely a person starts to see some very disturbing patterns.

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 2:49 PM

Sujata,

If you read the post I made earlier about an article written at The Empire Journal, one of the disturbing things to me is that many legal professionals have been trying to get something to happen and still those in power are sitting on their hands. The question now becomes why?

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 2:52 PM

Just to add insult to injury, if there was criminal charges brought agaist Michael. It is my understanding that Judge Shames would be the judge presiding over that case. Of course that would be if you could acctually get someone to finish an investigation from begining to end with access to all medical and legal documents, which has yet to occurr, which is what congress was supposedly supposed to be trying to have happen.

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 2:59 PM

To fight for all people, to clean up the corruption, bad law, bad people, bad agendas is what we are all about. We are praying for Terri, we are fighting for Terri AND we are going to war to ensure that this stops now.

Join us kcd.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 4:03 PM

I have been deeply involved in the fight to save Terri, but I do agree with Kevin on one thing: the fight has turned ugly and people are saying things about Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer that they cannot possibly know are true. We should not do any mud-slinging, name-calling, or trying to judge the heart of another person. Stick to facts. To demonize Michael Schiavo or Judge Greer, or anyone else caught in this battle is, I believe, a grave mistake and possibly sinful. Truth is not served by calumny or slander, although it may be served by righteous anger. These are not the same. Rae

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at March 28, 2005 6:09 PM

I think that all of those who seem to think that there is suspicion in this case are right to feel this away, there are so many things that do not make sense here example first Michael Schiavo claims on international tv that he does not know what Terri would want, then in front of a sworn in judge to uphold the laws he changes his story by saying he is just carrying out his wifes wishes. How can he say one thing and then say another can the judge not see this as an issue that needs to be addressed. You can not say you do not know what is wanted then turn around and by some miracle say Terri stated she would not want to live like this, and you say this in the same breath you say she is in a vegatative state if she is in a vegatative stateb how could she all of the sudden let you know she would not want to live like this. Now remeber this is the only way this could have happened because in previous statements made by Michael Schiavo he did not know what she wanted. Then after he was awarded the law suit money he then all of the sudden knew what she wanted I do not think so and this is the very thing that has raised suspicions on the possibility of him only doing this to her for the money.

Posted by: fightforlife at March 28, 2005 7:57 PM

Everyone, call, email,telegram for teh right to feed Terri orally. Let them take the tube out, but not stop oral feeding. She has the right!

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 8:02 PM

If there is a need to prove that Terri still has cognitive functions
and is not living in a vegetative state, there is a simple test that
can be done. It is called the Pavlov experiment.
If Terri salivates when she smells or sees a food she used to like,
that is normally considered a reflex, but if a person reads a
recipe or description of a food she likes and she salivates, that
proves she still has cognitive function. She was able to process
the words and understand that someone is describing the food she
likes and the act of salivation is a consequence of this
understanding.

Posted by: cps at March 28, 2005 8:46 PM

I suggest that everybody ignores the troll by the name of Kevin. He has been wandering around all of the blogs and delivering the same stupid message. He should not be taken too seriously because his mommy needs to put him back in bed.

Sorry for the sarcasm but I have seen the same comment several times. It is a repeated mantra to the point that it sounds like someone has been told what to write. I think that someone comes from Pinellas County courthouse.

Rae, perhaps you are right about calling our suspicions mud slinging, but the fact remains that there is a lot of smoke in this case. What we have is one probate judge who has been making all of the decisions. He has dismissed and ignored every piece of evidence that was presented that proved the Schindlers had a case without properly considering that evidence. He is the one who made an error of fact in this case and dismissed the evidence of one witness even though he was the one who made the error. That is unacceptable behaviour by a judge. He then accepted as credible testimony from a man who suddenly remembered what his wife had said three years before her accident happened. (I have more to say on the testimony and recent statements of both Michael Schiavo and George Felos but I need to study some of the transcripts from the court case as well as from recent interviews to pick up all of the discrepancies and yes I will have another allegation to make about all of this).

If you want Jeb Bush to act then you need to not publish anything about intentions until after it has been achieved. The last attempt was aborted because the people protecting Greer got wind of the move to take Terri into protective custody.

The rulings in this case are abysmal and they are a gross miscarriage of justice. Keep on keeping on, all of you. We all have work that must be done and we have goals to achieve in order to make sure that this never happens again.

Posted by: Maggie4life at March 28, 2005 9:13 PM

I suggest that everybody ignores the troll by the name of Kevin. He has been wandering around all of the blogs and delivering the same stupid message. He should not be taken too seriously because his mommy needs to put him back in bed.

Sorry for the sarcasm but I have seen the same comment several times. It is a repeated mantra to the point that it sounds like someone has been told what to write. I think that someone comes from Pinellas County courthouse.

Rae, perhaps you are right about calling our suspicions mud slinging, but the fact remains that there is a lot of smoke in this case. What we have is one probate judge who has been making all of the decisions. He has dismissed and ignored every piece of evidence that was presented that proved the Schindlers had a case without properly considering that evidence. He is the one who made an error of fact in this case and dismissed the evidence of one witness even though he was the one who made the error. That is unacceptable behaviour by a judge. He then accepted as credible testimony from a man who suddenly remembered what his wife had said three years before her accident happened. (I have more to say on the testimony and recent statements of both Michael Schiavo and George Felos but I need to study some of the transcripts from the court case as well as from recent interviews to pick up all of the discrepancies and yes I will have another allegation to make about all of this).

If you want Jeb Bush to act then you need to not publish anything about intentions until after it has been achieved. The last attempt was aborted because the people protecting Greer got wind of the move to take Terri into protective custody.

The rulings in this case are abysmal and they are a gross miscarriage of justice. Keep on keeping on, all of you. We all have work that must be done and we have goals to achieve in order to make sure that this never happens again.

Posted by: Maggie4life at March 28, 2005 9:39 PM

I suggest that everybody ignores the troll by the name of Kevin. He has been wandering around all of the blogs and delivering the same stupid message. He should not be taken too seriously because his mommy needs to put him back in bed.

Sorry for the sarcasm but I have seen the same comment several times. It is a repeated mantra to the point that it sounds like someone has been told what to write. I think that someone comes from Pinellas County courthouse.

Rae, perhaps you are right about calling our suspicions mud slinging, but the fact remains that there is a lot of smoke in this case. What we have is one probate judge who has been making all of the decisions. He has dismissed and ignored every piece of evidence that was presented that proved the Schindlers had a case without properly considering that evidence. He is the one who made an error of fact in this case and dismissed the evidence of one witness even though he was the one who made the error. That is unacceptable behaviour by a judge. He then accepted as credible testimony from a man who suddenly remembered what his wife had said three years before her accident happened. (I have more to say on the testimony and recent statements of both Michael Schiavo and George Felos but I need to study some of the transcripts from the court case as well as from recent interviews to pick up all of the discrepancies and yes I will have another allegation to make about all of this).

If you want Jeb Bush to act then you need to not publish anything about intentions until after it has been achieved. The last attempt was aborted because the people protecting Greer got wind of the move to take Terri into protective custody.

The rulings in this case are abysmal and they are a gross miscarriage of justice. Keep on keeping on, all of you. We all have work that must be done and we have goals to achieve in order to make sure that this never happens again.

Posted by: Maggie4life at March 28, 2005 9:42 PM

People, apologies for the multiple posts. I am having trouble with this new system. I thought that my post had not gone through, and then when it did go through, it has happened three times.

JCD, instead of doing a rant about something that you do not understand, why not spend time investigating what is really happening in this case.

We are from all parts of the political and religious spectrum. We are here not just because of Terri Schindler, but because we can see that what is happening is a gross miscarriage of injustice.

There is something very much at stake that goes well beyond questions about funding, or any of the issues that you raised in your post. That issue is one that is important to all the elderly, people with disability, and especially those with alzheimer's disease, or others in the same boat as Terri. I am here even though I am an Australian because I recognize that the decisions in this case have a far reaching impact upon the lives of the weak and disabled. These people are our number one priority at the present time, and Terri is the focus of this particular priority because her life is in danger as she is being tortured day after day because of the bloody-mindedness of a man who obviously hates her to the point of wanting her dead no matter what the cost to himself. He obviously thinks that he can get away with judicial murder.

We are here because we recognize that George Felos, Ron Cranford, George Greer and others have a particular agenda to introduce euthanasia via starvation and dehydration to people who are not terminally ill. We are also here because we believe that there is something very wrong in this case and that the diagnosis of PVS must be challenged properly and fairly.

This case is an outrage, not because it is a private matter, but because there is a litany of evidence that points to the abuse of this disabled woman. There is also evidence that investigation into complaints about the abuse of Terri Schiavo have been stifled by people connected with George Greer and George Felos. Then there is the matter of contributions to campaign funds after certain decisions that were made in favour of Michael Schiavo.

We are here because it looks as if Theresa Schindler has been chosen by the death squad to be their test case to introduce the euthanasia version of Roe vs. Wade.

We are a diverse group, - right wing, left wing, liberal, centre, Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, other Evangelical, Republican and Democrat. We have made the decision to disregard our political and religious differences for the common goal of ensuring justice for the disabled. Terri Schindler is the face of that injustice.

Posted by: Maggie4life at March 29, 2005 12:13 AM

KCD
I just read your comments.
I do dare to comment.
You are assuming that no one here actively gets involved in all the issues you mentioned.
In my case I do get actively involved when and where I can.
Some of those issues you mentioned didn't get the public attention until AFTER it happened.
Why was it made so publicly unaware so that people couldn't get involved?
Maybe they didn't want the public to be involved in those issues so that they could actully pass them without the public being able to actively voice their opinions about them.
When I am aware of something I do try to do what I can.
Just like in Terri's fight.
Alot of people have protested and fought against her murder.
I am one of them.
Your assumptions are wrong that people here don't or didn't care about the other issues.
I cared about them.
Just like with the fight for Terri, my voice didn't appeared to be heard.

Posted by: MotherNnc at March 29, 2005 10:07 AM

Just for the record I'd like to say that if no one saves Terri from what is happening to her, then a helpless lady has been murdered. All of the controversy surrounding this case won't change that fact.
Ten, twenty, years from now the fact will remain that she was murdered.
Over time people do change their opinions.
Over time with life experiences people change their minds about how they feel about different views.
None of that will matter in the fact that a helpless lady was murdered at the hands of her husband and a judge. One day they may actually feel that they were misguided by the medical profession.
How many medical mistakes are made yearly?
It is in the thousands.
Yet her husband and the judge have trusted a handful of doctors who I'm sure were hired because of the "way" they feel about her state.
It is a known fact that if you have to go to court for a wreck, a lawyer will make sure that you get a doctor that supports your claim.
He won't hire one who doesn't.
Besides all that,
It is still murder to dehydrate someone.
It just can't be reasoned away.
I heard an elderly woman once say
"People justify themselves straight to hell everyday"
She, in my opinion was right.
How will they justify this to God.
He was really plain and clear when he said,
Thou shalt not kill.

Posted by: MotherNnc at March 29, 2005 10:20 AM