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March 21, 2005

Media Bias in Terri Schiavo Case at Extreme Levels in AP, Reuters Reports

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- LifeNews.com
With the world's attention focused on Terri Schiavo, the media has picked up on the story of her plight. However, some say the bias in the news reporting has reached extreme levels as media outlets attempt to shape public opinion in favor of starving her to death.

One Associated Press article released Monday, "World Opinion Divided Over Schiavo," did less to gather the opinion of world leaders on the controversial case and more to paint a false picture that world religions universally oppose the actions of President Bush and Congress to save Terri's life.

While the news article mentioned the Vatican's opposition to Terri's starvation, the rest of the piece interviewed Islamic and Jewish thinkers who favor starving Terri.

The Monday AP report closed with comments from a leader of a Dutch pro-euthanasia group and quoted a German newspaper accusing American political leaders of using Terri's case for political gain.

Other than a couple of comments from a Vatican newspaper, the article contained no quotes or attributions from world leaders or religious thinkers who oppose starving Terri.

Raimundo Rojas, the Hispanic outreach director for the National Right to Life Committee, has been following the Terri Schiavo sage closely.

"The press has the facts wrong, they have consistently used the wrong language, and there is a repeated effort in all that you read and here in the media an urgency to sway the American people that Terri is somehow less then human," Rojas told LifeNews.com.

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Has Fox read this - how do we highlight this?

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 5:07 PM

It is disheartening to continue and see the misreporting of this case. I can't imagine that the people putting out these stories are doing any type of "due diligence" or "vetting" as it were to ensure accuracy. They are going for sensationalism, as usual, because they clearly aren't interested in the facts.

Posted by: bryanm at March 21, 2005 5:16 PM

Let s contact all local and other media outlets and get them to read the report by the Nobel-nominee http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 5:19 PM

Judge Won't Issue Decision on Schiavo Yet
Posted: Monday March 21,2005 - 02:13:55 pm

By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Armed with a new law rushed through Congress over the weekend, the parents of Terri Schiavo pleaded with a judge Monday to order the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube reinserted.

U.S. District Judge James Whittemore said after the two-hour hearing that he would not make an immediate ruling, and he gave no indication on when he might act on the request.

http://www.sierratimes.com/rss/newswire.php?article=/news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050321/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman&time=1111443235&feed=us

Posted by: AZ at March 21, 2005 5:23 PM

Not a promising sign when her life is at risk for every additional minute she is denied food and water..

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:25 PM

2:13pm (PT) is 5:13pm ET

Posted by: AZ at March 21, 2005 5:25 PM

European media is not only biased but blatantly slanted. Therefore nobody should take their reports seriously. It also explains why people in Europe are usually totally misinformed.

Unfortunately in Europe their is no balance in media due to lack of talk radio and bloggers are not as common either. Therefore it will take a long time that such information channels are accepted even if there were being introduced today. Europeans are so brainwashed they don't even now they are.

Why do I know this, I am a European, but have lived quite some time in the US and unfortunately had to leave again. Living in the US has opened my eyes and let me see things in Europe today in a total different light.

Posted by: lawfan at March 21, 2005 5:25 PM

Too bad that the AP didn't ask the Dutch rep. why so many elderly do not even seek medical help any longer because they now fear doctors who now also qualify themselves to decide to put children they deem unredeemable, under 12 years, to death. Coming America to the court near you.

Posted by: chris K at March 21, 2005 5:27 PM

Unfortunately the major US news sources aren't any better lawfan, generally speaking.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:27 PM

I am shocked...shocked.

The judge has not issued an immediate order permitting Terri to be hydrated. That's NOT a good sign.

Posted by: corrie at March 21, 2005 5:28 PM

What could be holding off a decision?

Posted by: Austin at March 21, 2005 5:30 PM

Funny how terrorists get protection for mistreatment, yet an innocent woman is condemned to death.. man this country is so full of crap when it comes to justice.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:30 PM

demonsurfer:

I know. But fortunately there are other outlets. In Europe there aren't

Posted by: lawfan at March 21, 2005 5:31 PM

Okay, here are the email addresses we should blast this:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html to:


studiob@foxnews.com, Hannity@foxnews.com, Viewerservices@foxnews.com, Comments@foxnews.com

We need to make the media accountable for their reports...

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 5:31 PM

Once again the Florida so called judicial system will most likely not be on Terri's side!!!!!!The new judge appointed to terri's case was appointed by Bill Clinton...

Posted by: Linda at March 21, 2005 5:32 PM

Linda, very true. We must continue to bombard the media and our congressmen and women, and all who will hear about this. I don't know what the outcome will be, but I will continue to fight for Terri's rights until the end.

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 5:33 PM

lawfan : yes fortunately, although for a while there I was begionning to wonder how long those other outlets would last with the introduction and abuse of the Patriot Act.. it seems the leash on that particular beast has been reigned in fairly tightly now.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:33 PM

The hearing has adjourned but no ruling on whether to put feeding tube back in for Terri? That is not good...not good at all. :C

Posted by: Jane at March 21, 2005 5:35 PM

LATEST NEWS!

http://www.wftv.com/news/4304860/detail.html

Judge Says He Won't Rule Immediately In Schiavo Case


This judge is a Bill Clinton appointee. I'm convinced he wants her dead.

Posted by: Ruth at March 21, 2005 5:35 PM

The Judge's delay in ruling while Terri suffers indicates a concerning lack of compassion that does not bode well.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:37 PM

Thanks sirena. I have sent, are there any other email ads for the media that we can contact?

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 5:37 PM

Gallop Polls show clearly that the average person is in favour of having her tubes pulled so she can die in a manner that she wished to.

Posted by: Matthew Ottewell at March 21, 2005 5:39 PM

Wow...already you've all begun to assemble some close-minded critique of the new judge assigned to Schiavo...is anyone going to be seen as a good judge, or are you just waiting for one to say what you want to hear, thus making him/her a good one? Yah, that's not how the judicial system works people...its about what's written, not about the biased opinions of the times.

Posted by: jason at March 21, 2005 5:40 PM

does anyone have emails for the people at CNN? Thanks

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 5:40 PM

demonsurfer:

Europe is even worse with Anti-terrorism legislation. In the UK the unelected House of Lords had to stop the Government to pass a law that would have allowed the Home Secretary to put anybody under housearrest he deems suspicious of being a terrorist.

Now a judge must make the decision, but the burden of proof is still suspision.

The media was merely commenting about the fact that the House of Lords is unelected and never raised the problem of abuse. The population does not even care.

Posted by: lawfan at March 21, 2005 5:41 PM

"George Felos, one of the attorneys for Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, told Whittemore that the case has been aired thoroughly in state courts and that forcing the 41-year-old severely brain damaged woman to endure another re-insertion of the tube would violate her civil rights."

WTF? Helping someone to live is a violation of their civil rights? Ok then, best Dr Kervokian's lawyer get an appeal in, and best all the patients in care for attempted suicide should immediately be denied foos and water, because anything else is denying their civil rights.. unbelieveable that such an arguement stands up in court.. this is a joke.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:41 PM

what did the schindlers attorney provide as evidence to the judge? Dr Hammesfahrs examination?

Posted by: chardonnay at March 21, 2005 5:43 PM

Matthew Ottewell: "Gallop Polls show clearly that the average person is in favour of having her tubes pulled so she can die in a manner that she wished to."

Which gallop polls are those, and there is no proof that Terri wants to die, only the heresay on Michael who has a very strong conflict of interest, and slipped on a Larry King interview that Terri never actually said this!

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 21, 2005 5:44 PM

'Marie Kehr of Nuremberg wrote to the Sonnenstein killing center about the death of her two sisters. She suspected that their simultaneous deaths...were not a coincidence and wanted to know whether the killing of her sisters was legal: "I can only find peace if I could be certain that a law of the Reich enables the release of human beings from their incurable ailments."'

The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution p. 172

Posted by: Baillie at March 21, 2005 5:45 PM

If I'm correct, the Schindlers presented MANY things to Judge Greer as evidence, but Judge Greer didn't want to accept them. He's rather bored with this case and wants to get on to bigger and better things, ya know. *sigh*

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 5:47 PM

Please bombard Larry King with emails and get him to get this doctor for interview tonight http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 5:53 PM

Judge Greer obviously lacks the "wisdom of kings", as this case is so obviously a matter of "Solomonic Choice", judicial precedent (circa 967 B.C.E.) by the decision of Judge (King) Solomon when presented with conflicting testimony (and no evidence) in a 'familial' type dispute over the 'guardianship' of a helpless individual... the well-being of the 'charge' the ultimate deciding factor.

REAL HISTORY "A Mother's Love": www.jamboree.freedom-in-education.co.uk/real_history/solomon.htm

Posted by: Raquel at March 21, 2005 5:54 PM

From the news artcle, (link Above) it sounded like Judge Whittemoore was not impressed with the Schindler attorney. His comment was not a good sign.
I just don't get it. Of all people, a Judge should know that Attorney's can buy doctors to testify on in their favor. this is very scary

Posted by: chardonnay at March 21, 2005 5:56 PM

If there's anything I can't stand, it's being a pessimist, but I gotta tell ya, getting a BJ appointee to rule on the side of life is like getting a lion to rule on the side of eating vegetables (absolutely no pun intended...).

Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 21, 2005 6:04 PM

Don't overlook the anti-Catholic prejudice involved in this issue. Terri is a Catholic from a pro-life Catholic family. The culture of death is arguing for her death partly because it hates Church teaching on moral issues.

If you think what I am saying may be true, please contact the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights:

http://www.catholicleague.org

Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

Saint Michael, pray for us!

Posted by: John kirkpatrick at March 21, 2005 6:08 PM

I found this link to contact Larry King:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?73

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 6:08 PM

I just sent the medical report link to Larry King... now I'm going to write to Hannity and thank him for having the guts to report the truth when everyone else seems to ignore the facts.

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 6:12 PM

John, dont be petty and bring in anti-catholic bias etc. and dilute critical issues here. What about Michael, isnt he a catholic too? What about the woman he is with, isnt she a catholic too? Whatever happened to the catholic church's morals, have they excommunicated these two from teh church for living in sin??

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 6:13 PM

Where do they get this thing about Terri's condition being "brought on by an eating disorder"? Is there any truth at all to that?

Posted by: Different River at March 21, 2005 6:14 PM

sirena, I have emailed bbc, fox news, billoreilly, reuters and a few other that I found, let's keep at it until someone listens.

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 6:15 PM

Of course! Yes!

A good Judge, even a decent Judge, would of course see the evidence in this case and rule in favor of Terri's rights and her family.

Any Judge that would look at all the information about the situation and rule in favor of Michael and Felos would be one sick individual.

Look at the FACTS once again!

1) Michael won a bunch of money by claiming he wanted to personally care for his beloved wife forever and he needed the money for the absolute best rehabilitation possible.

2) Immediately after he gets the large sums of money he cancels all rehabilitation.

3) He goes beyond canceling rehabilitation and prevents any nurse from trying to spoon feed her, let her listen to the radio, or even put a rag in her hand to prevent her fingers from curling up. Additionally, nurses that dare to show kindness to him are fired.

4) Terri becomes ill with an infection and he denies her anti-biotics. Additionally, he set the thermostat to a very low temperature to try and freeze her.

5) He fights for years to prevent her family from having access to X-Rays that then show bone fractures certified and licensed medical doctors admit could NOT have been caused by a simple collapse of a young healthy woman.

6) He commits adultury, lives with, and fathers two children with another woman. This very fact should nullify any decision making rights he has over Terri.

7) He denies from time to time the parents right to even visit with their daughter.

8) He claimed in court to be told by Terri that she would not want to live on life support (she is NOT on life support by the way and the only assitance she needs is a feeding tube which is only used at mealtimes) only to state last night on Larry King that HE DOES NOT KNOW what Terri would want but this is what HE wants!

Any Judge who would review these (and other)facts based on real documents, affidavits, recordings, statements, and records and then rule against keeping Terri alive would be an ABSOLUTE MONSTER!

The facts in this case are clear!

Michael is a monster, Terri deserves to live!

Posted by: GeorgiaGuy at March 21, 2005 6:16 PM

Hannity and the truth spoken in the same sentence. Now THAT'S funny!

This judge is going to let the case languish for, oh, I don't know, say a few more days? Then Terri will gracefully pass from this life to the next. Praise the Lord.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 6:18 PM

Where's Jeb? Emergency protective seervices intervention NOW.
Fla. statues ch. 415.1051(2)

Where's the US Marshals to enforce the Congressional subpoena?
If she was a mob witness she'd a had more protection.

Posted by: Bryan at March 21, 2005 6:18 PM

Just wrote Shep Smith a loooong note trying to include most of the facts of corruption and abuse the media denies. Called him "a lap dog to the euthanasia reps". Uh! oh! I've also been sending a lot of same to Rita Cosby, the "crack" investigative reporter, who dug up everything on Scott Peterson and others, asking why not this case?

I have no fingernails left either. This is so scary for America and our times and our future.

Posted by: chris K at March 21, 2005 6:19 PM

How can you not know about the eating disorder if you're taking such a vocal point on this issue?? My god, contempt prior to investigation is the definition of ignorance.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 6:20 PM

joey, could it be because she is not as gullible as you in swallowing whatever Michael Schiavo throws for consumption?

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 6:22 PM

What's holding up the decision is that Whittemore is no different from Greer. We're talking about the tip of the iceberg here. Guardianship fraud in FL is a bigger scam that any of us can possibly imagine.

Posted by: Teri J at March 21, 2005 6:22 PM

Way to go Chris! Everyone, get the word out.. Michael Savage is also doing a great job stating the REAL facts about Terri's life.

Posted by: Sandy at March 21, 2005 6:22 PM

PRAY, FOLKS, PRAY.

Posted by: Bryan at March 21, 2005 6:23 PM

Joey, you're a troll and should go somewhere else if you don't want to help.

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 6:23 PM

Christopher Reeve wasn't murdered like this. He was worse off in that he was kept alive on a respirator. Terri has no trouble breathing - proving of course that her brain is functioning.

I have worked with mentally challenged people who could not even make eye contact or speak. BUT WE KEPT FEEDING THEM ANYWAY.

Posted by: Rick Allen at March 21, 2005 6:24 PM

Latest news.google.com reports are that the Judge in this case is "thoughtful" and "fair".

Uh oh.

That means the MSM is setting us up for a fall. They're trying to say good things about this Judge.

We will judge whether or not he's thoughtful and fair.

Meanwhile, Terri is starving to death. THAT isn't very thoughtful OR fair.

Posted by: Ruth at March 21, 2005 6:25 PM

Here is another excellent summation of what has been missing in the media coverage of Terri's long battle. It's asks the questions I've had and tried to answer by mailing so many of the unreported facts to the cable stations who have the likes of Rita Cosby; the "Big Story" to investigate all kinds of behind the scenes characters in other cases. Where has this same probing been in defense of Terri?

If there is a "persistent vegetative state," it has been among the press and especially members of the judiciary and also the America public, who did not or could not see that a court-ordered death, a case of involuntary euthanasia -- of a woman who is far from comatose -- was about to occur before its eyes.

Read the rest of the piece here:

http://www.spiritdaily.com/schiavoblackout.htm

Posted by: chris K at March 21, 2005 6:25 PM

Joey, we have only Michael's word that she was bulimic. None of the rest of her family or friends have ever corroborated that statement.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 6:26 PM

I am not an evangelical. I'm just a concerned citizen who wants to help a disabled person who's rights are being violated. If you don't want to help Terri.. then go elsewhere...

You're a troll and are obviously just trying to stir the crap up.

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 6:27 PM

Joey, don't you get it? This is a matter of equal rights for the disabled, as I've posted here many times. No religion needs to enter into the argument.

Disabled people should have equal rights and protection under the law. Therefore, it's just as wrong to starve Terri as it would be to starve you or me.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 6:32 PM

http://randomandpic.blogspot.com/

great great info.

Posted by: Amy at March 21, 2005 6:33 PM

Folks, I am not getting a good feeling. Unless the President issues an executive order to save her life I fear for the worst.

And, let me say this to you President Bush, if Terri dies, the Republican Party will have blood on it's hands.

Do the right thing and issue and executive order or else your fans will leave and the Republican Party will falter.

Posted by: Ruth at March 21, 2005 6:33 PM

Watch it, Joey. They have a funny definition of 'troll' here. Basically anything they disagree with.

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2005 6:38 PM

I heard that Judge Whitmore will most likely post is ruling on his web page. Does anyone know where to find his page?

Posted by: Caryn at March 21, 2005 6:38 PM

Do what you can to spread the word. Just read a nice article by Fred Barnes. The only rational media person so far!! There's hope. Contact your local media.

Heres a Nobe-prize nominated doctor's report on Terri

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 6:39 PM

Jim, *you* are a troll -- someone with nothing substantive to say. Joey at least has some arguments, when he's not stooping to frivolity or snarkiness.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 6:42 PM

Constant reference to misinformation is nothing more than the attempt to make something appear as fact if it is said enough times.

There is no proof that Terri had any wish to die. The law demands that a person's wishes be crystal clear and that simply isn't the case.

Hearsay is not admisable.

A guardian with a conflict of interest who has made strange demands about the care of his wife sealed medical records showing unexplained injuries and denied her the very therapy he begged a settlement for so he could provide it, should at the very least have his testimony and intentions called into question.

Where exactly is the question that this case needs to be reviewed?

Posted by: imdll at March 21, 2005 6:44 PM

My email keeps getting bounced from hannity@foxnews.com. I just called Fox news and let them know the problem with the email...

Posted by: Sirena at March 21, 2005 6:47 PM

Sirena, check Fred Barnes article at weeklystandard.com One sane media person finally!!!!

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 6:56 PM

Sirena, why are you hounding Fox on this issue? You're preaching to the choir.

Mary, no one's denying rights to the disabled. It's the right of every American to refuse medical treatment, you know that. Guardianship falls to the husband in this case - he speaks for Terri. I know that frustrates the hell out of you, the Schindler's and many, many others. But you should be equally aghast that congress and the president have seen fit to ignore that fundamental right and issue bogus legislation to override it - oh, in this case only (yeah, right). Where does it stop? It's the principle of the matter at stake here. That's why I'm trying to help...Sirena. Get off your soap box and consider the other side of the issue for 30 seconds.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:02 PM

Joey,
Have you read your money lately? Happen to know the slightest about the origin of your constitution. Your country was entirely founded by God fearing people with strong morals and beliefs.

This case however has little to do with religion. It is about the truth. The truth is that there has been very little truth in this case and a great deal of manipulation.

A judge should not sentence someone to death without at least meeting them in person and certainly not on the say so of someone with reason to see you dead!

Posted by: imdll at March 21, 2005 7:03 PM

Even if this case received ALL of the review some of you are asking for - unseal her records, perform MRI's, a criminal investigation, etc. - would any of you genuinely accept a verdict that went against your wish for her life to be extended with a feeding tube? I doubt it seriously.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:05 PM

"No one's denying rights to the disabled"??? Of course they are! Terri's rights to representation in court and relief from a guardian who does not represent her interests are being denied.

Look:
It's murder to deny food and water to a living human being.
An attempt is being made to murder Terri under cover of the law.
How can murder ever be made legal?

I've said it before: Terri's civil rights as a U.S. citizen trump Michael's rights as a guardian.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 7:06 PM

The only thing I can think to do now other than pray is to write to Jeb Bush and ask him to grant Terri a divorce from her "husband". I know some of you are Catholic and I'm wondering if the Pope could annul their marriage. If any of you know the address, an email to the Pope sure couldn't do any harm.

I'm unsure of the legality of these suggestions. Maybe some of you know. I'm just trying to think of a way to save Terri.

Posted by: Granny at March 21, 2005 7:07 PM

Joey, I would want to see an MRI and an EEG. Terri's not "brain-dead" until the EEG flat-lines. An MRI would show if her cortex is actually liquefied or not. I don't believe that it can be, because if it were, her autonomic functions (breathing, temperature control, etc.) would not work, and she would already be dead.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 7:08 PM

I'm not being petty by brining up the anti-Catholic issue. The Catholic League is a feisty group headed by a well-educated man who is not known to back down from a fight. True, Michael is not excommunicated. However, if a Catholic persists in a lifestyle of grave, mortal sin, they are not suppose to receive Holy Communion until they have made a sacramental confession.

As far as Michael's adultery, that is a severe sin and a severe canonical penalty and only a professional Catholic group like the Saint Joseph Foundation, not the Catholic League, could take up that issue. However, for Terri to divorce Michael, he would have to consent to a divorce according to the state. That is a major problem. But I do think the Schindler family needs to contact the Saint Joseph Foundation and Catholic law groups such as the Thomas More Center and ask questions about this issue. I can't because I am not qualified since I am not a canon lawyer but I think there may be a canonical case that can be brought against Michael.

Posted by: John kirkpatrick at March 21, 2005 7:09 PM

Hey imdll, I also see a pyramid and some other masonic imagery on there. Oops.

Ben Franklin, a god fearing man if there ever was one and a founding father, made Jefferson change the line from "we hold these truths to be SACRED" ie, divined from God, to "self evident" ie, from rational human understanding. Just one of the many efforts on the part of our god fearing founding fathers to keep this country secular.

Again, I refer you to my previous post - if all the evidence showed that Terri was never abused, has received great care, etc., would you still be taking this position? Should you have the right to choose your medical treatment or should the government and the courts have the right to intercede where they see fit?

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:09 PM

Joey, the question is NOT should the government and the courts have the right to intercede, BUT

Should your spouse who has moved on and had a family with another woman and has not spent on your therapy, a cent of the 1 million dollar he received for your therapy have the right to decide whether you live or die?

Posted by: joey at March 21, 2005 7:13 PM

The legislation passed by Congress does not override anyone's right to determine their own medical care. Did you read it?

All this hand-wringing about "rights being taken away" is hogwash. Everyone has the same rights as before. All you have to do is to *write your wishes down.* That's all. It's so simple. Just do it! Be a man, stand up for what you want, and write a living will!

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 7:14 PM

SORRY, the above post is mine, not joey's I just typed his name in the wrong place :( Sorry Joey

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 7:14 PM

Wow, it's obvious most of you talking about press and media in europe has no concept of, has never been to and does not understand European freedom of the press, which incidentally is of a much higher standard than the US have ever been. Come on, now it's not just our government but most of you using this 'case' for their own personal agenda. Fact is, the government has no business in this case. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves if they want to continue a so-called 'life' in a vegitative state. As so often, Religion is again clouding everyone's mind and proves again again how important the seperation of church and state is - and how it's being blurred right now. Most people that wan't Terri to live want it to please 'god'. Have you ever considered that Terri REALLY would not want to have 'lived' in such a state she's in ?

Posted by: Simon at March 21, 2005 7:15 PM

Uh-oh, we've got "dueling Joeys" here. Capital-J "Joey", a.k.a "Jesus Rocks", "Burbank, California", and a couple of other aliases, versus lower-case-j joey. One of you had better attach a qualifier, to avoid confusion.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 7:16 PM

Okay, sujata, thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 21, 2005 7:17 PM

Mary, you're speculating when you say Michael's been a bad guardian. You're only listening/believing one side of the story manufactured to make him look evil. He married her, remember that, and cared for her many, many years now. Some want to fault him for seeking out companionship? Are you human??

Look, denying someone air to breathe is also murder. Family's decide to do that all the time.

You think Michael is lying; I don't. Simple as that.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:20 PM

Companionship? He is living in sin! He is still married to Terri!

He is the same man who said from the stand during the malpractice suit that he wanted to take care of his wife which is why he was studying to be a nurse but then he wins the case and then later on he claims that Terri said she would want to die if she was disabled. This is a claim he never made from the stand! He also said on Larry King that he did not know what Terri wanted, but "that is something we want."

A liar slips every now and then!

Posted by: Maria N. at March 21, 2005 7:26 PM

He cared for her for many many years by getting the $1 million for "her therapy" and denying her therapy for 13 years :(

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 7:27 PM

Companionship? He is living in sin! He is still married to Terri!

He is the same man who said from the stand during the malpractice suit that he wanted to take care of his wife which is why he was studying to be a nurse but then he wins the case and then later on he claims that Terri said she would want to die if she was disabled. This is a claim he never made from the stand! He also said on Larry King that he did not know what Terri wanted, but "that is something we want." A liar slips every now and then!

Posted by: Maria N. at March 21, 2005 7:27 PM

Maria, if he's so evil and heartless, why doesn't he just let go of Terri and let the Schindler's deal with it? Why doesn't he quietly accept the $1 million offered to him and go away?

Come on, living in sin? He's wife's a vegetable. You want him to remain faithful? You fault him? Would you fault your husband for doing the same?? Come on!! Tell the truth!!

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:29 PM

Because the $1million was not given quietly :( I wish someone would though.

How can we fathom how an evil mind works? We cannot, just like we cant fathom why Nichols did not run out of the court, instead chose to go into the court and kill 3 people.

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 7:35 PM

Michael the Stalker

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/06%20-%20CindyShookDepo.htm

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 7:37 PM

I do not know why he is so intent on shutting up his wife for good. Men are scum!

The wedding vows clearly say "in sickness and in health." Love means you care for the person no matter how sick they may be. It is in our greatest weakness that we prove our greater love toward one another. My grandmother taught me that when she cared for my grandfather who suffered with bone cancer for ten years. She then took care of her mother for over a decade after my grandfather died. She pulled her out of a nursing home that tried to kill her by omission of basic care!

Posted by: Maria N. at March 21, 2005 7:37 PM

Bottom line is that this judge, a Clinton appointee, has been asked to REVIEW the case, not re-open it and try it again. I think the Schindler's have run out of options. I hope they can put this behind them and move on with their lives.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 7:39 PM

If any man loved his wife, would he harass her parents like this?

joey, question for you, why are you ignoring the report of the nobel-prize nominated doctor on Terri. He examined Terri and gave a formal report. Do you think the man is nuts?

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 7:39 PM

Michael Savage is right: "Liberals are mentally ill."

Posted by: Mike Egan at March 21, 2005 7:49 PM

Quoting Michael Savage really validates your point. Keep up the good work! Why not stick all liberals somewhere...oh, I don't know, like a work camp or something? They're detrimental to the american way!

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 8:04 PM

Sujata, I'm not ignoring it, I just think it's motivated by more than the best interest of Terri. I think he has an agenda, as do many of you. What about all the other doctors who've treated her and have repeatedly gone before judges and said there's no chance of recovery? You don't know me from Adam, but I assure you I would never, ever support the tube being removed if I thought for a second that she might get better and enjoy life in any measure.

This, sadly, is about her parents and their inability to let go of their little girl.

Posted by: Joey at March 21, 2005 8:09 PM

According to CNN PVS is misdiagnosed 40% of the time. According to one of the specialists on their special tonight there are tests that could show if there is more brain activity than what was previously thought. He said that it is not uncommon to discover that a person has more brain function than previously believed through older testing. Then they have an interview with a woman who was diagnosed PVS and had her feeding tube removed and has come back to tell the story!

This has to help people understand the possibilities and the margin of error. Error is not an option when you are considering someone's life.

Posted by: imdll at March 21, 2005 8:14 PM

What do you think is the motive of the doctor Joey? Do you think he will put his reputation on the live and come up with statements like this?

"Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr. Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input. Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael REFUSED!"

Please tell me what is the purpose of instructions to not open the curtains in Terri's room for five years?

I have no agenda, if in this same case, all family members had agreed on this issue I would object to the Govt. interference, but that is not the case here. Not only that Michael's behaviour over the years has been questionable. Did you read about him stalking his previous girlfriend Cindy?

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 8:23 PM

Actually, I believe Michael is excommunicated by his actions, albeit, not by a formal declaration of the Church. Ultimately the formal declaration merely serves as a warning, while your actual stance before God is taken by you alone. Mortal sin, unrepented, severs your relationship with God--excommunicated, no longer in communion.
This is NOT a type of Roe v. Wade of euthanasia, this IS the Roe v. Wade of euthanasia. What bothers me about the Right to Die bunch is why they don't put their money where their mouth is. If they want to die then they should die, already! But when they talk about Terri's right to die, or my right to die, or your right to die, THEN they are talking about the right to kill.

O.K., O.K., there are laws against suicide. So what! I mean, what is anyone going to do to you if you commit suicide? Throw your dead body in jail? No, the price of room fresheners would be prohibitive. So what's all the fuss about, unless, of course, they aren't concerned with their right to die, but rather with their right to end your life if it's more convenient.

I object, I strenuously object, to people who love me to death and I take all their concern as a direct and personal threat on my life. I really think we should get restraining orders on these people!!!

As for Terri and her family, let us pray, pray, pray from the heart with all our heart. My Jesus mercy, my Jesus mercy, my Jesus mercy.

Does anyone know what the odds are of Terri getting a Clinton appointee for a judge? Could the die be loaded?

Posted by: MARY at March 21, 2005 8:46 PM

Joey stated "denying someone air to breathe is also murder"
Yes, yes it is.
What families 'decide to do all the time' is disconnect a respirator that BREATHES FOR a person whose body is NOT BREATHING ON ITS OWN... they are not legally allowed to put a bag over the persons head and suffocate them by WITHHOLDING air to breathe ENTIRELY.
That is the difference here.
Terri is NOT "brain-dead", she is healthy with a fully functioning body which: breathes, cirulates blood, digests foods, evacuates urine and excrement... her body is not 'rejecting' nutrition & hydration, its not unable to digest and utilize sustenance, she is not terminal- she would not be 'dying' other than the fact that she is being dehydrated and starved, which takes a he** of a lot longer than being suffocated!
At least with animals or death row inmates the "being put to death/or put down" is more humane if only by the fact that it takes a minimal amout of time. We have PETA making sure our beef cattle don't "suffer", what about PETP?!

Now, on to another point... I live 30 minutes from Terri; I am ashamed at the miscarriage of justice at the state level and in particular with regard to the ORIGINAL court proceedings. With the original doctors that examined her when she collapsed, with the lack of investigation into the possible causes of the original incident... hindsight is 20/20. Maybe Michael is afraid that if she does live, if she does get rehabilitation, if she does recover the ability to communicate, that Terri will point an accusing finger at him... and destroy his "new" life, his freedom, and his "new" family.

It is something to think about.

Posted by: Raquel at March 21, 2005 8:54 PM

Let's just say you're right, for the sake of argument - Michael is a savage (no pun intended...I think). Should this have any bearing on the fact that doctors who've evaluated Terri say she's never going to get better?

Posted by: Burbank California at March 21, 2005 8:55 PM

Read what this Nobel nominated doctor thinks

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 21, 2005 8:59 PM

About the media opinions; John Gibson sounds a bit different from the usual denials of reality:

myword@foxnews.com

Posted by: chris K at March 21, 2005 9:02 PM

Sorry about that non link re: John Gibson's commentary. It's here:

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,151086,00.html

Posted by: chris K at March 21, 2005 9:04 PM

As someone who personally made the difficult decision to disconnect my child's life-support, and then held her in my arms as she passed away, I'm in a unique position to sympathize with the family of Terry Schiavo. No pain in this world is more devastating, nor is any pain more long-lasting. It's with you forever. However, having said that, I find it terribly ironic that it is the Conservative Christians who seem to be the ones who are most afraid of dying. Anyone who believes that spending 15 years in a vegetative state connected to a feeding tube is preferable to dying and joining God in heaven, doesn't have much faith at all. The people fighting to prevent Terry from dying need to realize that God called Terry home 15 years ago. It is man who is disrupting God's plan, not the reverse.

Posted by: Ann Frisher at March 21, 2005 9:20 PM

Ann,
First, I am sorry for your loss. There can be nothing worse than the death of a child. My heart goes out to you.
I am one of those "Conservative Christians" you write about. I want Terri to be fed and cared for, and shudder in fear when I consider the moral and legal ramifications of this case. But it is not my Christian faith that makes me feel this way. This is not a religious issue. It is a HUMAN issue.
Terri is NOT a vegetable by legal definition. She is NOT on life-support. Food and water are a form of life support we all need. Under no circumstances is this a case of "allowing" a person to die - - they are actively CAUSING her death. The process is slow, painful, and cruel. Would Terri want this? We can't know that, and so we MUST opt for life.
Did you know that a prisoner on death row will be force-fed if they choose to end their life by a hunger strike? How, then, can the courts justify starving an innocent woman?
One final thought: God did not call Terri home 15 years ago. If she is still here, isn't possible she has more to give this world? Be very careful about making "quality of life" judgments. This is one case, one life. But it is the first step on a journey to a place mankind should never, ever want to go.

Posted by: Mary D. at March 21, 2005 10:01 PM

Let's face it - - the media presentation of this case has shaped ALL of our opinions, for or against. They have a dangerous power, but too often use it irresponsibly. Since they won't show the diligence to get all the facts, we have to do that on our own. Get more than one viewpoint. Turn to more than one or two news sources. Compare the facts, check out the laws and documents, and find the TRUTH. The media won't deliver truth - don't expect them to. You will have to go looking for it on your own.

Posted by: Mary D. at March 21, 2005 10:07 PM

Ann,
My heart goes out to you for the difficult decision you had to make.

If Terri was being kept alive by extrordinary measures and there was irrefutable evidence that she will never get better. If there was proof that she really would rather die. I believe you would find many who would not disagree with disconecting her if her family felt that was the right decision.

The problem arises with all of the unaswered questions in this particular case. Terri lives just fine as long as she is fed. Many people live on feeding tubes. There are no extrodinary measures needed to sustain her life.

On CNN they said PVS is misdiagnosed 40% of the time and that there are more technical tests that could be done to see what Terri's brain functions are based upon technology available now. Micheal has refused further testing and is adamant that Terri is PVS when professionals admit that the error rate is 40%.

It is the inconsistencies and questionable behavior by Micael Schiavo that has pushed this case on to the point we see it at now. There are lots of documents about all that has transpired.

Posted by: imdll at March 21, 2005 10:11 PM

Ann, Terry is not in a vegetative state. She is breathing. That's not a vegetative state.

We are required to live out our faith by practicing the corporal works of mercy:-----feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, shelter the homeless, visit the sick and imprisoned, clothe the naked, bury the dead.

God bless.

Posted by: Diana Goodavage at March 21, 2005 11:26 PM

"eric K commenting with joey's stuff below:
If life should be "enjoyable" what about those times when life is hard?? Life for Terri is going to be hard that is for sure! Is this a reason for not wanting to "live that way?" I am a blind person, I have even heard, "how do you do that as if it was so hard to understand and I am not brain damaged, or maybe its the old, ""Oh I sure could not live as well as you if I were blind""! I am around disabled persons many days of my life and even teach them how to use computer technologies. I have even shown people with limited movement how to use a pc. Life is hard and is not always "fun"!!
Joey's comments below.......
Sujata, I'm not ignoring it, I just think it's motivated by more than the best interest of Terri. I think he has an agenda, as do many of you. What about
all the other doctors who've treated her and have repeatedly gone before judges and said there's no chance of recovery? You don't know me from Adam, but
I assure you I would never, ever support the tube being removed if I thought for a second that she might get better and enjoy life in any measure.

This, sadly, is about her parents and their inability to let go of their little girl.

Posted by:
Joey

Posted by: Eric K at March 21, 2005 11:45 PM

We, as mere humans, truly do NOT have the power to keep something alive indefinitely if it is meant to die...
We only have the power to make something dead... which we cannot yet undo with all of our technology and medical science.

Posted by: Raquel at March 22, 2005 12:40 AM

GOOD point, Raquel. Keep those little grey cells going, we might hit on something yet!

Posted by: MARY at March 22, 2005 1:39 AM

I need to correct the mistaken idea that Michael Schiavo is a Catholic. He has already stated that he is not a Catholic.

To Anne who claimed that Terri died 15 years ago. That is not true. Terri collapsed 15 years ago. She did not die and she was not revived. Terri did not have a heart attack as claimed by Michael Schiavo and whatever caused her potassium and blood sugar imbalance was quickly resolved.

The high blood sugar level should have been investigated at the time. I cannot recall seeing that diabetes was ruled out as a cause of Terri's collapse.


It is worth noting that nursing staff have given affadavits stating that after Michael had visited Terri she seemed to go into a diabetic type shock. It is worth noting that he left the evidence that he had been injecting her with insulin in Terri's bin.

There is something wrong in this case because all we have is Michael Schiavo's word on these matters. There is something wrong because the story about when Terri allegedly said that she did not want to be attached to machines had been constantly changing. There is no consistency in that story.

There is something wrong in this case because hearsay evidence should not have been accepted in the first place, and Terri should not have been allowed to enter a hospice facility since she was not dying.

Since there is no living will it is not up to the courts to state that Terri must die through starvation. This is a very cruel decision and a very cruel and unusual punishment for this young woman to endure.

I remain on tenterhooks awaiting what this particular judge has to say. It is not good news to know that he is a Clinton appointee. On the other hand, he might be wanting to weigh the facts as they have been presented to the courts.

This case is not the same as cases where families need to make life and death decisions for their loved ones because the loved one is hooked to a machine to help him or her breathe, or the heart to pump. Terri has normal functions and that means that she is not in a vegetative state.

I want to see an investigation into how here neck ended up being so injured. Also I doubt that Schiavo is telling the truth about hearing a thud and then finding Terri lying on the floor. I know that it is part of the story but I really do suspect a massive cover up in this case.

People who believe that Terri should die need to go do some further research because all of you are entering into unchartered waters. I cannot imagine that any of you would want to endure the slow death of starvation.

If you have not already taken the time please have a look at the photographs of the autopsy of the body of Lisa McPherson. She died as a result of dehydration and starvation at the hands of the Scientologists.

Posted by: Maggie at March 22, 2005 5:05 AM

People are asking themselves "would I want to be kept alive in Terri Schiavo's condition?" and we shudder to imagine it. But any yes or no answer to that question would have to be qualified. I pondered this at length as many have. Would I want to be kept alive in Terri's current condition, under the control of an unfaithful and sadistic husband in whose presence I was not safe, who denied me medical care, denied me therapy, denied me sustanence, denied me basic comforts, denied me environmental stimulation, denied me dental care, denied me liberal and unrestrained interaction with my loved ones and whose will was bent on my demise, the answer would probably be no. It would be a frightening and vulnerable position to be in.

On the other hand, would I want to be kept alive under the care of a loving family in whose presence I felt secure, who provided me with aggressive therapy, provided me with medical and dental care, provided me with an enriched environment, provided me with sustenance, provided me with encouragement, provided me with comfort, provided me with mental stimulation, who gave me something to look forward to, and whose will was bent on my recovery, my answer would probably be different. Because if I were in there somewhere, I would be fighting to break through and I might stand a chance with the support of loving parents, sister and brother.

One thing I know for certain, I would not want to be dehydrated to death.

No one knows what condition Terri would be in today had she not been deprived of the therapy and medical care she needed and had she been able to feel safe and secure at all times.

To say that Terri would not want to be kept alive this way is to assume she has cognition of her circumstance, which is contrary to what Michael Schiavo is claiming. So if she is not cognizant, then what harm does it do to allow her to live with her family and be cared for? If she is cognizant, as I suspect she is to some degree, a living nightmare would be to be cognizant and under the control of Michael Schiavo, property of an individual who wants her dead and is indifferent to her suffering.

So when they put out those polls asking people would they want to be alive in Terri's condition, they should really be more specific. Maybe a better question to ask would be if you were alive in Terri's condition, who would you trust to take care of you? The husband who thinks you feel no pain and wants you harmed? Or your parents and siblings who love you and want your recovery? Without any hesitation I can answer that if I were alive in Terri's condition, I would rather be with my family who loves me.

When Michael Schiavo appears on television, no one is asking him the really hard questions or making him accountable for the inconsistencies in his various stories. Of course, he stated on Larry King Live that he has done this before, with his parents. So, he has had some practice. What are the odds. . . . 3 people, so far, put to death....? hmmm (His current common law wife might want to be very careful.)

Posted by: mickar at March 22, 2005 9:31 PM