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March 28, 2005

Let's Stand on Common Ground and Save Some Lives

Topics: Action Items

In a previous post I brought out how support for saving Terri's life is coming from both sides of the political spectrum. To some this is an issue of discrimination against the disabled, as an able person in Terri's general state of health would never have been a candidate for such treatment. To others the issue is the intrinsic value of human life as the image-bearer of God, and man having no authority from God to take it under these circumstances.

What I see here is the basis for some real cooperation between these two groups. If we can manage to work together, we can save some lives. What we agree on is that sustenance and medical care ought not be withheld from people because they are disabled and because they cannot speak for themselves.

Baby John Doe is born with an obstructed esophagus. A fairly simple, and rather common surgical procedure will clear the obstruction and enable Baby John to eat. Will the procedure be done? If John is otherwise normal in his development and condition, there is no question. He will have the surgery and live. However, if John is a Downs Syndrome baby, a condition that also causes mental retardation and other disabilities, there is a question. Many Downs Syndrome babies are born with this condition and some are denied the procedure and die from lack of food and water.

Both the disability advocacy crowd and the pro-life crowd think Baby John Doe should be protected. When you look at the lobbying power of these two groups, their sphere of influence is huge. The disability advocates have the ear of the left, the pro-life crowd has the ear of the right.

So can we work together and get this thing done? Can we band together and protect the lives of folks like Terri Schiavo and Baby John who cannot speak for themselves? I think we can.

What could destroy efforts at cooperation on this is the issue of euthanasia. The right might wish to prohibit all euthanasia and the left may wish to firmly establish a "right to die," for those who can clearly communicate that choice. If we can discipline ourselves to leave those issues out of any proposed legislation and narrowly define our purpose for now to protecting the voiceless disabled, we can avoid the disagreement that could derail our efforts. I am not suggesting anyone compromise their principles on this. I am suggesting the issues be treated separately rather than lumping them together, for the sake of the Terris and Baby Johns of this world.

Left and right can work together on this and do some good. We can protect the lives of many people, especially infants and those whose disabilities diminish their consciousness, intelligence, or communication abilities. So let's do it. Let's start asking our legislators for this. Let's start writing about this issue. Let's start asking the established advocacy groups for pro-life and disability causes to use their lawyers and their lobbying power to help us get this thing done.

Cross-posted at Wittenberg Gate.

Updated (by Tim):

Communication will be key to our efforts and, in addition to this site, we are compiling an email list of those who have supported Terri through their letters, donations and blogs. This list will be used infrequently for important announcements and calls to action. Make sure your name is added by clicking here.

Posted by dory at March 28, 2005 12:26 PM

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I agree. A bi-partisan coalition will by its nature feel strong tugs to disintegrate due to inability to agree on overall or larger issues. Let's work on legislation to define nutrition and hydration as a basic human necessity to all people, in whatever state of ability or disability.

Posted by: Rae Stabosz at March 28, 2005 12:39 PM

Don Quixote may have overcome the windmills
one at a time,with help.
I agree,focus is crucial.

Posted by: lynaqua at March 28, 2005 12:45 PM

I just wanted to voice support for this. It is so imperitive that we work to create a culture of life for all of our disabled, large and small, young and old.
I also think a bipartisan approach will help us gather a larger base, regardless of where our personal beliefs rest in the greater issues. This issue can be a seperate issue and successful. In Him, Katrina

Posted by: Moody-Mom at March 28, 2005 12:50 PM

As a person who has been following Terri's fight closely and been trying to get all the non-editorialized information on this case that I can, I am very frustrated that we, as a group, cannot do more.

Here is what I propose:

Would bloggsforterri.com be interested in helping us organize a fund raising effort to hire our own private investigator? Reading these posts over the past few weeks I am struck by how many people feel as frustrated as I do. Let band our strength and money together to do something for ourselves. Let us get our own non-biased look at her case and what was done to her.

I for one am willing to open my wallet to have Terri feel that she is being watched over by us.

We are stringer than we know, we have numbers and we have resources. We can push and cajole the truth from the Police dept, courts, doctors, etc.

Let us now wait for the media to do its job, because once the story is off the front page, their interest in finding the truth will wane also.

Some of us believe in God and some do not, but we all should believe in the ability of a group of well-meaning people to get at the truth and to shine a bright light on it.

Posted by: why? at March 28, 2005 12:53 PM

I have been working all morning contacting members of the US Congeress and the Executive to attend to the following isssues and rescue Terri.

Dear Mr President,

I just made phone calls to Sen Spector and Rep Fitzpatrick from my own state of PA, urging them to initiate an investigation into the treatment of Terri Schiavo. I urged them to issue new subpoenas and to put Terri in Protectuive Custody immediately. I urge the same action from your office.

Terri has been "warehoused" for 12 years and confined in isolation for 5 years with no opportunity for inclusion in recouperative treatment and normalized life experiences. .She has been denied the Feeding Therapy which would have eliminated the feeding tube as being her means of hydration and nutririon. The removal of this same "tube feeding" is now being used to cause her court ordered death. The FLA courts could have better served Terri's rights by enabling her with the less severe remedy of court ordered Feeding Therapy which also would have granted her wishes to "not live this way". Feeding therapy would have enabled Terri to eat independant of life support equipment. The Fla courts errored terribly and Terri receivd NO justice.

The public has had a bird's eye view into Terri's living conditions of isolation. They have learned of her tolerated lack of treatment . They know that as a result of the medical debate of her accurate diagnosis, her treatment neglect was court sanctioned .The public has watched the FLA courts act in ordering the singular remedy of death without any consideration of more desirable less severe remedies. The public has seen how the FLA Dept of Children and Family did not act to protect Terri, arrest those who impeded the investigation nor even issued any statement of criticism. .There exists now a widespread dangerous public misperception that this isolation, deprivation and dehumanization of incapacitated people is morally acceptable and that it is the legal standard of care permissable for disabled people.

Without a well publisized corrective and investigatory Federal action in defense of ADA and equal rights regulations, the treatment of disabled citizens will be disasterously set back decades. For the welfare of society and for the protection and empowerment of disabled people and for the rescue of Terri, I insist that you be moved to interceed by putting Terri in Protective Custody as a relief from her current medievel treatment This wide spread belief that Terri's backroom warehousing and treatment neglect as being acceptable treatment of any disabled persons can not be tolerated nor can it go uninvestigated.

Please President Bush. act now to save Terri from her death at the hands of those who publically deride her as bbeing a"houseplant', a "vegetable' a"shell", and as having "died 15 years ago". Terri has been very much alive and in need of compassion in the form of recouperative treatment not her present deplorable medieval treatment. The state of Florida must be held accountable for her mistreatment. America demands better .

Thank you for your attention . God bless your action.

Ms JoEllen Marley, MEd

Special Educator

Posted by: JoJoFox at March 28, 2005 1:02 PM

This case is a mockery of justice.

There's mountains of evidence and truth being swept aside by a single judge. What is even more disturbing is that there are others in power who know this is happening and yet turn a blind eye. Usually, injustice happens when no one is watching, but here it is right in front of millions and yet no action is being taken.

If someone is a material witness can he/she be executed? Dont they stay executions until investigation is over?

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 1:04 PM

How does a single judge get away with mocking the system as judge greer has? he is a tyrant against women whether they go to his courts asking for protection from their husbands or lying in a bed being starved to death.

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 1:29 PM

how about terri just dies already. I'm sick and tired of you fundies dragging this through the mud.

Posted by: Ban789 at March 28, 2005 1:44 PM

I have found two links (stories) pertaining exactly to the things we are talking about.


This second one you need to be registerd with Miami Herald to access, but I posted the whole article on my blog....


Posted by: Straight Up with Sherri at March 28, 2005 1:46 PM

Delphinius...God help you and forgive you! If you don't like what you are reading here...move on...no on has forced you to read these blogs. If you are not here to support Terri...go to another site to voice your negativity. We have enough of that in this world. This is a support Terri site....not wishing her to die site. Shame on you!!! =(

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 1:55 PM

sujata...RIGHT ON SISTER!!!!

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 1:56 PM

what?! so sadened i have been on this site for weeks now fighting to save Terri Schiavo!

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:02 PM

i am at work right now and i am spending more time faxing and e-mailing that if it was known what i was doing i would probably be fired! i have cried and prayed every single night over this and have just plain lost faith in the justice system and gov. that are put in place to protect us!

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:04 PM

Sorry delphinius...that was meant for Ban789!!!

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 2:05 PM

Delphinius - no no... not you. SoSaddened read your name at the bottom of your comment before that sicko "Ban789" and thought it was you. NOTE: The person's name appears BELOW their comment. Can be confusing in a big thread.

Posted by: RightAlltheTime at March 28, 2005 2:06 PM

i am so sorry... i am just a complete wreck over this whole thing, everyone hear and this site has been such a wonderful outlet for me.

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:07 PM

I just sent the following telegram to the President, Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay:

"Gentlemen: If a Congressional subpoena is to mean anything, it must be enforced. Act now. Send Federal marshals to "arrest" Terri Schiavo and bring her into protective custody. She is still alive, but barely. Her family has exhausted all appeals to the courts, but the legislature remains. Enforce the law you made last week. Send Federal marshals now."

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 28, 2005 2:08 PM

If people have his much passion and resolve to save the life of one person, why can't we do the same to save the millions who die daily from war, disease, famine, and so on?

Posted by: Heero at March 28, 2005 2:12 PM

A journey of a 1000 miles starts with one step.

Start with helping one person at a time.

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 2:18 PM

Why is everyone that can save Terri so closed-minded? The technology back then and today are so different! I dont think they even had MRI machines back then!? But you would think everyone would want to be sure before allowing Terri Schiavo to die, you would think they could open their minds and ask themselves, what if? Why is it so hard for the judges the senators the courts be so closed minded to the possibility? The justice system in Florida, the American gov. is there to protect us...right? If not them, then who?

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:19 PM

Which is odd, considering we have had times in the past to rise up and proclaim a voice. Changes to be heard and fight the system, and still...

Posted by: Heero at March 28, 2005 2:20 PM

Heero, even millions of people can only be saved, clothed, or fed one person at a time. Each person has value. The value of a person doesn't go up according to the size of the group the person may be said to belong to: It's independent. Each person has value.

Everyone with a conscience knew that the tsunami victims, for example, had to be helped. And we did. The world was united to help them. There are thousands of world organizations that help victims of war and famine. But who was speaking for Terri? Almost no one, except her family.

If we can't save Terri (as now seems likely), then who will be next to be found too inconvenient to live? And who will be next after that? Our parents? You? Me? It isn't just about "one woman" any more.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 28, 2005 2:22 PM

AMEN MARY IN LA! you put it in a nutshell

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:24 PM

Still, it's odd. Why does it take the life of one to change our thinking compared to the many who have died, be it the tsunami or 9/11? Why do we think this way? Is it because it finally hits home to us, to show that we need to think of our future? If so, will we take to this leson? Humans do have the problem of learning from our mistakes. Or maybe we're just all hypocrites. I know I can freely say so. Not proud of it, but at least I can acknowledge it.

Posted by: Heero at March 28, 2005 2:39 PM

RIGHT ON Mary in LA! I told my whole family...dont ever starve me I dont want to go out like that! I plan on investing in a living will to ease the suffering of my family. I totally feel for the parents of Terry! God bless them!!! I cannot imagine the agony they are going through! I pray for them constantly to ease their pain and give them strength for their own health. These poor people look horrid, and seem not to have rested in days! As I am sure no parent would be able to rest peacefully while their child is being starved to death! God be with them! Thank you all for being here to support eachother! The media is not and just frustrates me!

Posted by: So Saddened! at March 28, 2005 2:40 PM

Heero is wasting our time. So let's ignore Heero.

Are there any action items for today to save Terri. Everyone's talking of faxing and emailing, is there a list somewhere?

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 2:42 PM

I cannot believe that Gov. Bush has tried everything. What good does having executive power do if you cannot use them to over rule the courts? I dont understand how that works? Can he not know or see that all the judges have not seen all the evidence for Terri, nor all the testimony, not even a proper MRI! What is the Gov. talking about, he should have enough to go in there and get Terri.

Posted by: delphinius at March 28, 2005 2:44 PM

SoSaddened and all: Don't just do a living will -- you'll also need a "durable power of attorney for health care."

Sujata: At this point I'd say we concentrate on DeLay and Frist, the House and Senate Majority Leaders, and call on them to enforce the Congressional subpoena. (I'm not hopeful, because the phone rep for Frist said that she didn't think anything more would be done, but we may as well try.)

The Hon. Tom Delay:
(202) 225-5951 / (202) 225-5241 fax

Sen. Bill Frist:
(202) 224-3344 / (202 228-1264 fax

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 28, 2005 2:47 PM

I'm willint to cut Heero a little slack. It does seem to be human nature that we can relate better to one known person than an abstract number representing unknown people. But, Heero, remember that people are flexible and can do two things at once!

Also remember that Terri is only starving for legal reasons, not environmental ones. We can't prevent tsunamis. Most of the world's famines are political -- there's enough food, but the local dictator makes sure that only his friends get any. But Terri is dying ONLY and SOLELY because of unjust law. The way we change the law in this country is to get active.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 28, 2005 2:51 PM

JFK once said:

"A man does what he must-in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures-and that is the basis of all human morality."

So I wish one of the Bush's could save Terri. :-(

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 3:03 PM

I am sitting here in complete disbelief...they say there is nothing anyone can do to save Terri!!! I have been sending emails to Jeb Bush, my family is doing the same and he says there is nothing he can do??!!

The world is watching this judicial homicide, they are watching this "civilized" country kill a poor innocent human being.

I wonder if Jeb, Judge Greer, Judge Whittmore and especially Michael "Hitler" Schiavo have actually seen the videos of Terri trying to communicate!

This is infuriating! I will not stop praying and sending emails, calling etc. for Terri, Mary and Bob!!

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 3:04 PM

Unfortunately, people fear to take the extra step, to bring about change

Posted by: Heero at March 28, 2005 3:05 PM


I'm working on piecing together the behind the scenes motives of the players on Schiavo's side to expose the truths and lies:

Michael Schiavo-originally wanted his wife to live, changed mind after receiving monetary settlement and becoming seriously involved in another relationship. Originally said he didn't know what his wife's wishes would be, then seven years later he changed his story to say Terri told him she didn't want to be kept alive. Evidence exists suggesting Michael Schiavo may have be involved in his wife's collapse.

George Felos-shows signs of necromancy (a psychiatric disturbance that is characterized by obsession and excitement about death and dying). Michael chose Mr. Felos to represent him because they both had the same desire for Terri fate but for different reason.

Ron Cranford M.D., neurologist who was recruited by either Felos or the court to testify about Terri's cognititive status. Dr. Cranford is a member of the hemlock society (pro-euthanasia agenda) and again, for perhaps different reasons from Felos and Michael Schiavo, thinks patients like Terri should be able to die.

Judge George Greer: THIS IS WHERE I NEED HELP. Greer appeared very biased against Terri living and in favor of Terri dying per Michael Schiavo's wishes and disallowed much evidence that suggested anything to the contrary. How did Felos and Michael Schiavo end up with just the judge they needed? Is is possible to get the judge that you want to hear your case? If so how? I would like to know if Felos somehow arranged things so that Greer (the judge Felos already knew would rule in his favor) was the one to preceed over Schindler vs Schiavo. Or if he may have been paid. Or if it was just extreme bad luck that it went to such a biased judge like Greer....OR....????

Any help anyone can give me, who is on the same wavelength, to fill in this missing link would be appreciated.

Thanks, Dr. Nordin

Posted by: Anna_Nordin at March 28, 2005 3:06 PM

I am not sure what is really going on. I am a paralegal and I know there are slimy lawyers, who back door stuff to get what they want.

I wonder if these monsters ever thought about what will happen when election time comes around...judges are elected! I hope they get what they deserve.

Why hasn't anyone really looked at the big picture with Michael "Hitler" Schiavo's past and what really happened?!?!?
My opinion is that anyone who is turning their backs on the facts are accessories to homicide!

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 3:11 PM

Michael "Hitler" Schiavo is exterminating Terri because he has something to hide!

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 3:13 PM

It sickens me when people trash Down angels!!!

Don't even get me started!!!

Thanks for sharing this, and consider me fighting with you!!!

AJ :o)

Posted by: Ainsley_Jo_Phillips at March 28, 2005 3:17 PM

While I am pro-life, what you suggest makes a lot of sense. What is happening to Terri and others like her make no sense. Count me in. I offer free email advice (subject to my own ability to respond) to anyone wanting to run for politcal office. Also, there is much informtion at my site to help those who want to get elected.

Dan England, GettingElected.com

Posted by: Dan at March 28, 2005 3:27 PM

Going through her 10th day and she's still here. My god, Michael, what kind of heartless psychopath must you be to allow the woman you once loved to die this horrible death? God forbid if your mistress ever becomes disabled. She may face the same fate.

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 3:34 PM

That's the thing... how could his mistress think Michael wouldn't do the same to her if she ever became incompacitated?

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 3:35 PM

Michael got what he wanted...the money. He is trying to hide the truth and that is why he is killing her. Did you hear him say that she was resting comfortably and her skin was not cracking and she was doing fine? I was in such shock I couldn't stand it. Not only is he a psychopath and murderer, but a liar to boot.

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 3:38 PM

You know, just like today, where people are following the "laws" because they believe them to be right... doesn't mean they are. Just think back to WW2. The Nazi's also killed thousands of disabled and handicapped people because they were "following the law". And then in 1692... the Salem Witch Trials. Think of how many people were accused of being witches and were killed because they were found "guilty" when they did nothing wrong? Terri is not guilty of any crime.. her only "crime" is that she married Michael Schiavo and she became disabled and he's too selfish to let her go and be with her parents. (He chose to kill Terri's cats even though Terri's parents said they'd take care of them... no, the selfish jerk had them put down..) Just like he's putting Terri down right now. And what man melts down his wedding ring and his wife's wedding ring after she becomes disabled to make himself a brand new ring? Michael did that.. and only a self-centered person would do that.

I believe our country is defined on how we treat the weakest in our society. If that's the case, we are all going to hell in a handbasket. ;-(

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 3:44 PM

I don't know how impartial and accurate The Empire Journal is. They claim to verify their information. If that is the case they have the most in depth coverage of the players and facts of the Terri Schiavo case that I have been able to find.

Today they have claimed that they have sent all of the information that they have to Gov. Bush. and asked him once again to step up to the plate. They claim that there are many lawyers who have tried to get him to act in this matter.

After reading about the connections between the different people involved in this case it has answered a great number of questions that I had about how all of this was able to occur.

It has left me wondering why there has been no solid action from anyone with the authority to look into this matter. There has been the appearance of action, yet when the chips are down those with the power to do something claim their hands are tied! What don't we know?

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 3:45 PM

Wow, you guys are on a roll,too.


We'll deal with your issues later, not believing for a minute that they are the ones you front with.


We ARE guilty of letting things get to this point, but I am grateful to God, Terri and the Schindlers that we are here now.


What truth is the major media ever interested in? They are agenda mongers, liars with a capital L, and THEY ARE THE ENEMY.

Dr. Nordin,

What makes Greer tick? God knows and maybe only God. But his complicity in this, his attachments to various actors in this case suggest reasons for extreme bias. I have absolutely no doubt that Pinellas Co. is a hotbed of corruption with one person backing and covering for the next and all hands in the pot. Also the really great powers that be want at least two billion people dead (read Earth in the Balance by Al Gore) in the near future. There are a lot of people who find profit in this agenda.

Hey, where I came from the county commissioners were making deals behind our backs to turn the greater part of the county into a dump for trash as far away as NY. No one could figure out why they would do that, but one of them won a million dollar state lottery in the midst of all this. And STILL people were saying it can't be that; the lottery can't be fixed. Oh, my weary ears!!!

Dave at djplst@magnaspeed.net is looking for info and pointers for a documentary he is going to write. And volunteers. Thought we would do our own investigating, but hiring an investigator works, too. If you have something for Dave, or can do something for him, like look into some shady people, do interviews, whatever, let him know.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 3:55 PM


You forgot that the test to see if you were a witch or not was attempted drowning. If you drowned you were innocent; if you didn't you were a witch. Nifty, huh?

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 3:59 PM

Troll Alert - Heero.

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 4:00 PM

Mary et. al.

Yeah, nifty. Just like the "tests" they did to "prove" Terri is PVS.

God help us.

Posted by: Sirena at March 28, 2005 4:02 PM

I have a question for you all. If Gov. Bush as he claims "can not go against a court order" (even though that very thing has been done before), if the DCF can be stopped from investigating claims of abuse and neglect, if a circut court judge can ignore congress, who has the power to find out and act upon the truth? There is no FBI investigation, no police investigation, no full DCF investigation. No review of all of the court documents, testimony and medical records and judgements made based on the evidence available. Where is the checks and ballances?

Repeatedly the statements have been made by all involved we just don't have the power. So who does?

As an aside, Rev. Patrick Mahoney was interviewed on CNN. It was very good, I hope it will be shown more than once. I appreciated that he did not come across as a zealot and turn off people who may be willing to listen.

Posted by: imdll at March 28, 2005 4:11 PM

So, is greer the strongest man in the world (stronger than the pres. of the u.s.), or what? I've been asking this question since day two and so far no one has even addressed it. If he isn't where is the stronger man to stop him? Anybody got any stones and a slingshot? This may have to be done the old fashioned way.

Dr. Nordin,

Is that what felos' problem is, necromancy. I was praying my chaplet for Terri and Schindlers when he popped into my head, instant feeling of nausea, then overwhelming feeling of how sad he is, how much to be pitied. Would you please e-mail this info to Dave. I think he could use it.

And would somebody send Dave the info on McCabe that I hope found and the info on the DCF and DFLE that Baldwin found? djplst@magnaspeed.net

Thank you all.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 4:44 PM

The way the legal system works in this country is that the trial judge makes the finding of FACT. Every appeal after that is only about PROCESS. Greer made the original finding of fact in this case, based on the evidence that was presented at trial. After that, "Terri would have wanted to die" was a fact of record.

The extraordinary Palm Sunday Session was an attempt by Congress to get the 11th Circuit to order a from-the-beginning review of the case. They found that Greer had not erred in process, and that no new evidence had come to light. It is not clear whether they had the affidavits by the RNs who got fired or the other evidence, but they concluded that a new trial would not result in a different outcome. Ergo, the original finding of fact - that Terri wanted to die - was allowed to stand. The "blawgers" have done a very good job of dissecting the legal angles.

I believe that if Gov. Bush had ANY legal recourse to save Terri, he would exercise it. He does not. This is a nation of laws, and Governor Bush is not a feudal lord whose word is law. It is sad, but it is true, and I would not have it another way.

The price of freedom is often very high indeed.

I heartily endorse a bipartisan grassroots effort to secure rights for "inconvenient dependents." It will be difficult indeed to keep focused when so many of us will disagree strongly on closely related issues such as abortion.

Perhaps some will change their positions as a result - is there after all that much of a difference between the plastic tube that fed Terri between 1990 and 2005, and the umbilical cord that supplied her needs during much of 1962?

If you support Terri but that statement makes you bristle or tempts you to lash out at "anti-choice zealots", there may not be much hope for a bipartisan coalition for the disabled.

Posted by: corrie at March 28, 2005 5:09 PM

Since all pleadings filed are public record, someone should get the court pleadings and then launch an investigation against the lawyers and judges for unethical behavior...after all they have ethical duties and judicial code of ethics which obviously do not apply in their eyes. Also someone with the backbone should do a full blown investigation into Michael "Hitler" Schiavo's past and I am sure that a lot will be turned up....the TRUTH for one. He should be put on trial along with all the others that are committing murder and just like Petersen should be tried and convicted!

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 5:37 PM

I just read a report on the internet. Terri is still responsive...doesn't that indicate that she is entitled to live and not be murdered and contradicts what that idiot Michael said?

We have to help her. I have sent Gov. Bush at least 20 emails and I will not stop!

Let's pray that Gov. Bush gets it and helps her. He can no matter what he says!!!

Posted by: Outraged at March 28, 2005 6:21 PM

While I have strongly championed making this a non-partisan non-religious fight from common ground I don't agree on the specific tactic you are recommending. I consider myself pretty aware politically and I have never in the past seen so much support on the left for euthanasia [is this changing?] that we need to worry about splitting them off.

There really isn't a hairsbreadth difference between fighting euthanasia and fighting against the murder of the disabled. Those are primarily the people euthanasia targets or at least the first targets on the list.

Is it really just this tactic of withholding food and water that we need to target?

Euthanasia lobbyist Feiger, tireless defender of Kevorkian, tries to blame the compassion of the pro-life euthanasia fighters for this very tactic. He says that the Kevorkians of the world just could not overcome the resistance to poisoning the disabled and the depressed, so they had to develop the tactic of starving and dehydrating them instead.

Perhaps there is some value in simply following their every new tactic and overcoming that specific new tactic.

Whether it is pragmatically correct to only publicly target deliberate dehydration and starvation make no mistake in your private understanding. We are at the brink of adopting the recrudescent nazi doctrine of euthanasia. That is the abyss we are staring down into.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 28, 2005 6:23 PM

I ran across a website of a guy who may be helpful. Anyone ever heard of Wesley J. Smith? Here's a link to a really good article he wrote on Reagan and assisted suicide.


Posted by: ep4life at March 28, 2005 6:26 PM


The right to commit suicide, is not coterminous with euthanasia as close as it is, and I could see splitting that off but it may not be wise either. As long as it didn't leave the impression of actually supporting the death culture in doing so perhaps.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 28, 2005 6:36 PM

I didn't really clarify what I wanted to say very well.

Wesley Smith is against euthanasia and assisted suicide and writes very intellectually about such. His web address is www.wesleyjsmith.com. I actually got to his site from a link on terrisfight.org.

Posted by: ep4life at March 28, 2005 7:10 PM

Why isnt anyone focusing on oral feeding of Terri? Let's call, email, create a storm for the right to feed Terri orally.

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 8:01 PM


I haven't addressed this before, put it on the back burner, but it was there. This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Clinton broke the laws with Elian and Waco. That behavior threatens all of us, too, whether it's Clinton or Bush. Either way the Bushes go our lives and liberties are in danger.

Judas sought to back Jesus into a corner and make Him fight, but Jesus had come to heal and save and He stayed true to His mission even though it cost Him His life. That's when Judas realized he'd made a big mistake, and so did satan.


Got your point about compromising. We must accomodate, I think, but never betray or compromise the fight for life. Perhaps some kind of foundation needs to be laid here. For one thing some pro-choice are rethinking their stand over this, and if they once begin to fight for life on any level, chances are better than good that their vision will broaden.

This is also an opportunity to recruit and help in the salvation of others, and such opportunities are rare and priceless. We can thank God, Terri and the Schiavos for this.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 8:24 PM

Lord love a duck, I meant Schindlers (thought that word looked funny!!) But maybe one should give the devil his due--I don't know.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 8:26 PM

"What could destroy efforts at cooperation on this is the issue of euthanasia."

I hate to throw a damper on things, but from my experience with life issues - you compromise, you lose. If you are saying this is not about the issue of euthanasia - maybe we can play some more word games. I know because they wanted to do that to my wife (under the guise of some equally inoffensive words.)

Put another way - Jesus did not compromise - and He paid for us on that Cross. Either you stand for the whole truth, or you might as well join those who try half-heartedly and let another innocent person die.

I'm not a 'cause' person - but I will fight for Terri by going to the Supreme Court - the court of His Mercy, and plead for her. Ultimately, His will is always done - whether we believe it, whether we like it, or whether we fight it. Always. And always for good.

Posted by: TuGGer at March 28, 2005 8:33 PM

As they drove toward the school that morning, the students knew what awaited them--an angry group of white protesters. Just a few weeks before, the nine had walked past just such a crowd to the high school's entrance. That morning, Arkansas State Troopers had turned the nine away, and, along with local police, stood by while the mob pelted the black students cars with stones, assaulted them, and threatened their lives. But even though they were scared, the nine didn't give up. Like many of the figures in what came to be known as the Civil Rights movement, they would keep trying.
Days later the students tried again, but when protesters outside realized the students had entered the school, they exploded into violence. Once again, the Little Rock Nine were forced to leave the school. But again, they would not give up. The next day, the Little Rock Nine returned to Central High, this time protected by United States Army troops sent by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
They challenged the laws that discriminated against them as well as the attitudes of many Americans. One by one segregation laws were overturned and slowly many white Americans began to change how they felt about African Americans. Other groups, notably Latinos and Native Americans also became increasingly active in their drive for full participation in American society.
It is the duty of our government to see to it that equal protection under the laws of our country are not denied to any person regardless of their health or status, most especially to those who cannot protect themselves, as well it is the responsibility of every American to see to it that our public officials faithfully and promptly perform this duty.

Posted by: democrat at March 28, 2005 11:36 PM

Dr. Nordin, and Mary,

*Very Important* - regarding Judge Greer and all those in that area of Florida....Mary, you are right that Pinellas is a hotbed of corruption. Have either of you heard the whole situation about the hold that church of Scientology has in that area on public officials? My father who grew up in Tampa says that Clearwater has become 'owned' by the church of Scientology, WHICH BELIVES AS A CHURCH THAT THE DISABLED, THOSE OF LIMITED AWARENESS OR ABILITY ARE RATED ON THEIR 'SCALE' THAT THEY KEEP AS BELOW A 2 OR A 1.2 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, and should therefore not continue to go on - that these people negatively affect others around them. Now, not to say that Greer is a scientologist, but with their billions of dollars controlling that whole area of Florida, I have no doubt that officials in that area would have a lot to lose. There are whole web pages on this angle of the Schiavo case, and if I can relocate the websites reflecitng this, which I have read, I will post their URLs here. Perhaps you have both already heard this part of the situation, but I am posting this here in case you have not. I am in communication with Dave also, and am sending him what I can of what I find.

Dr. Nordin said:

"Judge George Greer: THIS IS WHERE I NEED HELP. Greer appeared very biased against Terri living and in favor of Terri dying per Michael Schiavo's wishes and disallowed much evidence that suggested anything to the contrary. How did Felos and Michael Schiavo end up with just the judge they needed? Is is possible to get the judge that you want to hear your case? If so how? I would like to know if Felos somehow arranged things so that Greer (the judge Felos already knew would rule in his favor) was the one to preceed over Schindler vs Schiavo. Or if he may have been paid. Or if it was just extreme bad luck that it went to such a biased judge like Greer....OR....????
Any help anyone can give me, who is on the same wavelength, to fill in this missing link would be appreciated.
Thanks, Dr. Nordin"

Mary said:

"Dr. Nordin,
What makes Greer tick? God knows and maybe only God. But his complicity in this, his attachments to various actors in this case suggest reasons for extreme bias. I have absolutely no doubt that Pinellas Co. is a hotbed of corruption with one person backing and covering for the next and all hands in the pot. Also the really great powers that be want at least two billion people dead (read Earth in the Balance by Al Gore) in the near future. There are a lot of people who find profit in this agenda.
Hey, where I came from the county commissioners were making deals behind our backs to turn the greater part of the county into a dump for trash as far away as NY. No one could figure out why they would do that, but one of them won a million dollar state lottery in the midst of all this. And STILL people were saying it can't be that; the lottery can't be fixed. Oh, my weary ears!!!"

Posted by: juleni at March 29, 2005 11:41 AM

Perhaps someone who knows the names of people in the area should look at the list of contributers to Judge Greer's campaign. Go to this site: http://election.dos.state.fl.us/campfin/contrib.asp#cand

Choose the 2004 General election and put in George Greer's name. Be sure to tell it not to limit the number of results returned. (Default is to limit it to 500.)

You will see that Felos and Felos contributed $250 the day after George Greer ruled that Terri's law was unconstitutional. You will also see many many lawyers contributing and several people related to health care.

I don't know the people, but perhaps a local person could look at this list and see who it is that wanted this man on the bench badly enough to help pay for it.

Posted by: Captured at March 29, 2005 12:06 PM

Dr. Nordin, Mary,

It took me a while, but here are some of the reference pages to look into the possible scientology connection:

http://www.conservababes.com/forums/index.php?s=3bf1ebf34d7a79c7b150ef03a06c5e9a&act=ST&f=34&t=13323 - E.D. Armstrong is council for Scientologists, is former chairman of the Clearwater Chamber of Commerce's Clearpac, a political affiliate of the chamber. Some contributions are also listed as coming from Johnson, Blakely, Pope, Bokor, Ruppel & Burns in varying amounts. Timothy Johnson listed above is the "Johnson" in that law firm, and has long represented Scientology.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/greer.html - Scientology, Clearwater Bar Association and Judge Greer

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/22/features/zone.html - Screenwriter of "Million Dollar Baby" is a Scientologist (and we know how that movie ended)

An example of what the 'church of scient.' tries to do & how powerful it thinks it is:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/fishman.html Scientologist Steven Fishman was brought to court because he had committed several crimes in order to get the money to pay for his courses. When Fishman in Time magazine blamed the Church of Scientology for his crimes, the sect sued him for slander.

Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishman_Affidavit



And in particular regard to Terri, the following (from libertytothecaptives.net):

"Consider this timeline:

May 1997 - Deborah Bushnell sent a letter to Judge Shames (he was before Judge Greer) saying that the Schindlers should be involved in Terri's care during her final days (since Michael intends to move Terri to hospice and remove her feeding tube).

Aug. 1997 - Felos sends a letter to the Schindlers notifying them of pending action to remove Terri's feeding tube.

May 11, 1998 - George Felos filed a petition in Court to remove Terri's feeding tube. [George Felos filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tube eleven months before the law was changed to call gastric tube feedings "medical treatment." Confident that Scientology was in complete control of this situation, George Felos boldly filed the petition ahead of time.]

April 6, 1999 - House Bill 2131 was introduced in the legislature by the Florida Elder Affairs & Long-Term Care Committee to amend Section 765 (Civil Rights) of the Florida Statutes. two weeks later, the legislature Committee on Judiciary recommended that House Bill 2131 should also change the Section 765.101 legal definition of life prolonging procedures to add: "INCLUDING ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED SUSTENANCE AND HYDRATION, WHICH SUSTAINS, RESTORES, OR SUPPLANTS A SPONTANEOUS VITAL FUNCTION".
Oct 1, 1999 - Senate Bill 2228 (formerly HB2131) becomes law changing Section 765.101 of the Florida Statutes to include the above.

Jan 24, 2000 - Trial begins to decided whether to remove Terri's feeding tube.
Feb 11, 2000 - Judge Greer orders that Terri's feeding tube can be removed.

If you followed the timeline, Felos filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tube BEFORE the law was changed, and the trial began AFTER the law was changed (and Greer approved removal of the tube).

Why is that? Did the Florida legislature knowingly or unknowingly pass a law that would apply specifically to Terri? I don't think there were any other hotly contested "right to die" cases at that time. (The cases of Cruzan, Bludworth, and Browning were decided years before). I wonder who paid-off or influenced who to get the law changed?"

More, in next post.........

Posted by: juleni at March 29, 2005 1:57 PM

And this, from the owners of libertyforthe captives.net, Gary and Lisa Ruby (just to consider):

Re: Felos And Scientology - OT 8: Kill With A Thought

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Scientology is a network of corporations, individual entities, associations and companies composed of members who have dedicated themselves to promote, support, and defend the late L. Ron Hubbard's teachings and goals. The aims of the Scientology New World Order network include using their "spiritual technology" to structure society so that the able can prosper:

A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.

(Quote source: Scientology Founder: L. Ron Hubbard )

Hubbard's doctrines ingrain a new definition of morality into his followers:

"The ONLY concern for a Scientologist is to do every thing he or she can to help Scientology. All other concerns such as family, profession, society and even the law of the land, are trivia unless they might impact on Scientology." 1

Scientology demands that society agree with or at least be subservient to the policies of their "church." Whoever objects to Hubbard's teachings is considered to be a criminal in the eyes of the organization:

"People who attack Scientology are criminals."
--L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, author of Dianetics 2

Hubbard had no tolerance for bad publicity. Read his "beat their teeth in" ethics policy penned on Halloween Eve here: Hubbard's Ethics Policy .

Gerry Armstrong made Hubbard's handwritten policy-as well as other damaging information about the organization- known to the public even after he reluctantly signed an agreement which required him to remain silent about Scientology. He was awarded a large sum of money as settlement for the horrible abuses he has suffered due to Scientology "fair game" tactics. Read about this in Gerry's own words here:

Furious at these disclosures, Scientology has been legally retaliating against Armstrong for many years.

Scientology's reputation for revenge usually enables them to accomplish their goals with little resistance. It is time to obey God and expose and oppose evil no matter who the perpetrators may be. God will protect us as we walk not after the flesh (self), but after the Spirit.

L. Ron Hubbard's idea of ethics included no compassion for followers who turned out to be an embarrassment to Scientology:

"You're here so you're a Scientologist. Now we're going to make you an expert auditor no matter what happens. We'd rather have you dead than incapable." (HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965 REISSUED 15 JUNE 1970). 3

Lisa McPherson was a Scientologist who served Scientology from the age of 18 until her death at age 36. Lisa became incapable (Scientology claims she suffered a "psychotic break") and as a result, was subjected to the Scientology introspection rundown.

She died due to complications resulting from severe dehydration after being held against her will for seventeen days at the Fort Harrison Hotel. See: The Life & Death of a Scientologist

L. Ron Hubbard's "we would rather have you dead than incapable" remark was in reference to those enslaved in Scientology, but its relevance to the drama in Clearwater Florida is evident. Indeed, Hubbard's death philosophy was echoed by the 2nd District Appeals judges who indicated that Terri Schiavo has only two choices: A miracle or death! See: Disability is not an Option in the New World Order.

Scientology and Death

Scientologists do not view death in the same manner as the general population:

Of course death is not a big deal for Scientologists. It is called "dropping the body" and the body is regarded as a hindrance and a distraction. 4

Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, believed that when a man dies it simply means that his thetan (spirit) separates from his body. The thetan then "picks up another body" and lives again. L. Ron Hubbard's belief in reincarnation-which George Felos shares-is the foundation for his frightening doctrines about death and the disabled.

Scientologists believe that it is only through Scientology that the mechanics of death have been thoroughly understood. L. Ron Hubbard boasted about Scientology's supposed superior knowledge of death:

"We are actually the first people that do know a great deal about death. It is one of the larger successes of Scientology." 5

The online book, The Phenomena of Death, reveals that L. Ron Hubbard believed that death, which he called "losing your body," was on the same level of importance as losing your pocketbook!

In the book, History of Man, Hubbard wrote,

"The possession of a ... body is a liability for through that body the being can be given pain, can be regimented by the routine demands of eating and care from harm ... Today we live in a vast cult called Worship the body. Medical doctors, school teachers, parents, traffic officers, the whole society unites into this war-cry, Care for the body." (Chapter 4) 6

Do Scientologists, who favor death rather than disability, play a significant role in the Terri Schiavo case? I believe the answer is "Yes." Clearwater Florida, especially downtown Clearwater, is Scientology's worldwide spiritual headquarters and main training ground. The Flag Service Organization, located in Clearwater, provides the highest level of Scientology training and is the largest single Scientology "church" in the world! Scientology brochures claim that Clearwater Florida has the "largest community of Scientologists in the world." Back in 1998, the "church" of Scientology generated from 1.5 to 2 million dollars of income per week! This material success enables them to maintain ownership of tens of millions of dollars worth of property (about 40 buildings) as well as many businesses:

To date, the church owns more than $50-million in Clearwater-area properties and is nearing completion of a $50-million Mediterranean Revival-style building nicknamed "Super Power." Additionally, the church now has 565 hotel rooms in and near downtown for visiting Scientologists who consider Clearwater their spiritual mecca.

(source: Scientologists Settle Death Suit )

It is not hard to understand why this organization wields so much control over Clearwater-including its officials.7

Florida Officials are Holding Hands with the "Church" of Scientology

Many Florida politicians and government officials have an accommodative relationship with Scientology. For example, Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice, along with "over 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay" attended the gala event on January 18, 2003: the 76th Anniversary of the Fort Harrison, Scientology's international religious retreat.

The guests included the Mayor (Brian Aungst), Deputy Mayor and City Commissioner of Clearwater, the Clearwater and Hillsborough County Commissioners, the Sheriff (Everett Rice) and Deputy Sheriff of Pinellas County, mayors from seven surrounding cities, a representative from the Florida State Attorney's office, two former state senators, the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives (Johnnie Byrd), hundreds of local judges, attorneys, top business executives and other opinion leaders from throughout the community.

(Quote source: Florida Politcians, Government Officials & Scientology )

Florida Governor Jeb Bush is also on friendly terms with the "church" of Scientology. He publicly endorsed and legitimized this already extremely wealthy organization by approving grants for one of their front organizations, the World Literacy Crusade-a Scientology reading program designed for public schools:

In October 2000, the World Literacy Crusade of Florida was one of the organizations in the Tampa Bay area to be presented with a grant of $10,000 from Verizon’s “Tampa Bay Reads” program by Governor Jeb Bush. The grant was repeated in November 2001 at an event sponsored by the University of South Florida’s College of Education and officiated by the Florida Secretary of Education, Jim Horne.9

President Bush also assists in public relations for the "church" Scientology by endorsing and funding Narconon , the drug rehabilitation program run by the 'church' of Scientology:

The Church of Scientology™'s Narconon® program seems to be fairing well under the President's initiative.10

The current mayor of Clearwater, Brian Aungst, Sr., strongly supports Scientology:

The current mayor of Clearwater is strongly supportive of Scientology, frequently attending anniversary and other public relations events at the Ft. Harrison hotel. (Gabe Cazares on Scientology )

The Florida Bar Association is on cozy terms with Scientology. They have their meetings in Scientology's Fort Harrison Hotel!

The "church" of Scientology is not only extremely litigious, but they also are known for blackmailing judges to get the verdicts they favor. See: Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering , What Judges Have to Say about Scientology

Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, used litigation as a weapon with which to harass an opponent (anyone who resisted the Scientology agenda):

"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win."
--L. Ron Hubbard 11

Litigation: Scientology's Weapon

Florida law mandates that Terri Schiavo receive rehabilitation to help her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible, but the Pinellas County Court judges have consistently ruled against the law and in favor of Michael Schiavo's lawless agenda throughout the case. Like many concerned Americans, I have been deeply troubled at the fact that the judges in this Clearwater case are violating Florida guardian law statues and permitting Michael to commit felonies in a years-long effort to accomplish a public euthanasia precedent.

Euthanasia is illegal in all 50 states. How does one get away with committing a public euthanasia when it is clearly illegal? Answer: Trick the public into believing that euthanasia by omission is already legal. This was nearly accomplished! How many "Court-ordered Starvation," Headlines have you read? Assisted suicide is also not legal in Florida-not even in Clearwater.

Interestingly, ex-Scientologists who were high in the organization claim that committing felonies is a matter of "church" policy:

According to sworn testimonies from seemingly countless upper-level management Scientologists who have escaped the business, the "church" commits felonies as a matter of policy. So much so that several countries have designated Scientology a threat to their national security and monitor the "church" like they do any other crime syndicate. You may view many such testimonies at Operation Clambake.

No, Michael Schiavo does not necessarily have to be a Scientologist simply because he commits felonies regarding his guardianship duties. However, Michael's employment of Scientology tech against his incapable wife and his complete confidence that the Pinellas County Court system will protect him while he continually and flagrantly breaks Florida laws strongly suggest that he is involved in Scientology. The fact that he has never received any punishment for abusing , exploiting and neglecting a disabled adult indicates that someone or rather some organization which largely enjoys "above the law" status in Clearwater Florida is pulling legal strings on his behalf-and has been doing so for years.

Fair Game Policy

Pat Anderson, attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, knows something about Scientologists and litigation. She referred to them as "the masters of Rambo litigation." During the time Pat Anderson was representing the former Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Joan Wood (Lisa McPherson case) she made a statement about their fair game policy:

If you are not a member of the church or an active supporter of the church, you are fair game for the church. And they will use litigation to silence their critics. They do not tolerate contrary opinion.12 [bold emphasis added]

The fair game policy is used on anyone the Scientology organization deems an enemy:

ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. 13

Terri Schindler Schiavo, a woman that Scientologists consider to be a "wog" of the incapable kind, is definitely "fair game." She is not a Scientologist and she is legally married to a man who shares L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy in at least one crucial area: desiring death over disability. Michael Schiavo's illegal pursuit of Terri's death instead of her rehabilitation is also in line with L. Ron Hubbard's diabolical value system.

Hubbard had a particular antipathy for Catholicism and singled out this religious group for possible destruction:

He told one friend that he had not decided whether to destroy the Catholic Church, or "merely start a new one." 14

Michael Schiavo has singled out one particular Catholic for destruction: Terri. His blatant disregard for Terri's religious wishes is obvious. Through the guise of the "court order" and "doctor's orders" his attorney blocked her priest from administering what Catholics refer to as the "last rites":

Attorney Deborah Bushnell told Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, who has been Terri's spiritual provider for three years, that ''because of court order and doctor's orders, you can't put anything in her mouth,'' not even a morsel of moistened communion wafer.15

Scientology: Against the Disabled

Scientology takes advantage of disabled people to further the goals of the organization:

"Pending charges against more than 100 of its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight, coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of mentally incapacitated people... "As long as the organization's opponents and victims are successfully squelched, Scientology's managers and lawyers will keep pocketing millions of dollars by helping it achieve its ends."
--Richard Behar, "Scientology: Cult of Greed and Power," Time, 5/6/91 16

L. Ron Hubbard had a low regard for the disabled, which he called downstats:

Hubbard considered handicapped people, and especially mentally handicapped people to be degraded beings, suffering from their transgressions in earlier lifetimes. His attitude about blacks is well known. (Ex-Scientologists Speak )

All non-producers are considered to be downstats in Scientology. Downstats are not to be helped (Terri Schiavo is not being given state-mandated therapy!) and are penalized for the crime of non-production or "down statistics":

The course materials [written by Hubbard] warned managers never to be sympathetic to someone whose productivity numbers, or "statistics," were down. "We reward production and up statistics and penalize nonproduction and down statistics. (Narconon Exposed )

Scientologists have even published textbooks which misrepresent disabled people:

"The books were not approved by the state because they misrepresented the disabled and minorities, state officials said. For example, disabled characters were shown with canes, representative more of the aging process than of a disability, said Ruth McKenna, the state's chief deputy superintendent of public instruction. A disabled character in the texts also was shown in a wheelchair alone, isolated from others. In addition, the books did not depict enough disabled people. 17

The Rule of Terri's Case is the Rule of Scientology

The fact that Terri Schiavo's case is being handled in an entirely different way from other guardianship cases has not escaped the notice of Pat Anderson, attorney for the Schindler family. Wesley J. Smith wrote:

THE "RULE OF TERRI'S CASE" has struck again. The term was coined by Pat Anderson, attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents Bob and Mary Schindler, who complained: "If following a legal procedure will likely result in Terri dying, it will be adhered to. But if a procedure could make that outcome more difficult to attain, it will not be followed."

Anderson's complaint has ample evidentiary support. For example, under Florida law, Terri should have a court-appointed guardian ad litem to exclusively represent her interests. But, Judge George Greer, of the Sixth Judicial Circuit, refused to allow one for Terri in the guardianship case ever since her first ad litem was dismissed after recommending that she not be dehydrated to death.18

The "RULE OF TERRI'S CASE" is a declaration that Terri's case is being handled altogether differently from any other case in its category. Florida law has taken a backseat to the real power behind the rulings in this case!

Pat Anderson is an attorney, and as such is well aware that legal procedures are not being adhered to in this case. Much to the chagrin of the powers pulling the strings in Terri's case, legal procedures will not cause Terri Schiavo to die. That is why they are using illegal maneuverings in repeated attempts to "help" Terri lose what they consider to be her liability: her body. (Actually, her living body with evidences of abuse and serious neck injury is Michael Schiavo's liability!) It is certain that illegal maneuvers are keeping Terri in a state of deteriorating health with no therapy! It is Michael Schiavo's backers who are are wielding such ominous control over the Pinellas County Court system.

Terri Is Being Held in Scientology-controlled Downtown Clearwater: Her Health is Deteriorating

The Hospice Patients Alliance March 25, 2004 Newsletter informs us of Terri Schiavo's deteriorating condition as a result of being confined in Park Place, an assisted living facility located on Drew Street, in downtown Clearwater, Florida.

"Since Terri's move to Park Place assisted living it has become evident to the Schindler family that Terri's personal care has gone down hill. On several occasions they have questioned why Terri's hair was oily and why she appeared to have not been bathed. Two weeks ago, a tooth in her mouth came up missing. Recently, she has developed a decubitus ulcer in an area on her body which points directly to pressure and lack of her being repositioned. Of course, the Schindler's are still not able to ascertain any answers with regard to any of the concerns they have about their daughter's well-being and medical condition." -

Downtown Clearwater Florida-where Terri is imprisoned in isolation from the world-is the Scientology training ground stronghold of the world.

Terri is Being Abused/Has Pat Anderson Warned the Schindlers About Infiltration?

By April 24, 2004, someone had removed five teeth from Terri Schiavo's mouth. The reason for this has not been fully disclosed to Terri's parents. They have also been denied answers to questions about Terri's bedsore, unkempt appearance, and unexplained vomiting.

Michael Schiavo has once again used the Scientology disconnect policy against Bob and Mary Schindler because they are "antagonistic" towards his death goals for their daughter. Terri is being illegally held in isolation in Scientology-controlled Clearwater Florida while Scientology fair game tactics are being used against her and her parents. What is God leading you to do about it?

The Scientologists do not care if you contact Bernie McCabe. It took Bernie two years to file charges against the Scientologists after Lisa McPherson died of severe dehydration-while in their custody! The two felonies Bernie finally charged them with were: abuse/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine.

Bernie chose to indict Scientology on Friday the 13th, a "lucky" day for those in the occult. See: Felony Indictment November 13, 1998 Satan's followers believe that if events are scheduled on satanically-marked days-especially a high satanic day like Friday the 13th-the outcome will be to their advantage. High-level Scientologists knew that since an indictment was inevitable, it was best that it be done on a day in which vibrations (demons) would be compelled to perform in favor of the Scientology organization. (See: Occult/Scientology Dates in the Terri Schiavo Case )

Not long after the beleaguered Dr. Joan Wood changed her report regarding the cause of Lisa McPherson's death from "undetermined" to "accidental," Bernie McCabe dropped the charges. Bernie chose to free Scientology from all charges on June 12, 2000 , a Scientology holiday (highday):

June 12: National Founding Day Scotland, to celebrate the founding of the Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1968. (The Holidays of Scientology)

Bernie McCabe's refusal to investigate the allegations against Michael Schiavo for the illegal abuse, neglect , and exploitation of his disabled wife is no longer a mystery.

Pat Anderson was one of Dr. Joan Wood's attorneys, and as such, was privy to the "fair game" tactics used against Dr. Wood which set into action a chain of events that ultimately permitted the "church" of Scientology to get away with murder.

Has Pat Anderson advised the Schindlers about the Scientology fair game tactics that have been continually unleashed against them-including Scientology's often-used practice of infiltrating the opposition? I doubt it.

Scientologists are not threatened if you sign a petition to Bernie McCabe or plead with Gov. Jeb Bush, who gave them money. (However, you should make it plain to him that it is not in his best political interest to allow a certain segment of Florida citizenry to enjoy above-the-law status.) They do care if you picket them on their own turf and use every means available to make it known to the public that Terri Schindler Schiavo is being denied the protection of Florida laws that conflict with Scientology doctrines.

In the early months of 2004, Terri's supporters scheduled a picket outside of George Felos' office building in Dunedin, Florida, but of course this event was canceled. The time is coming for someone to lead a picket again in CLEARWATER. But this time it should be led by a person willing to expose and take a stand against the Scientology tactics used against Terri Schindler Schiavo and her parents. Do not wait for the infiltrators posing as Terri's advocates to call for this picket. This is the last thing they want to do. Jesus said that his sheep hear his voice and follow him. He will let you know if this is the way he would have you to go.

Death By Dehydration: Terri's Wish or Hubbard's Hurrah?

Also see: Scientology Vs Terri Schindler Schiavo

Scientology is "Fair Gaming" the Schindlers by Treating Them Like Criminals

In Keeping With Scientology Doctrine, Michael Schiavo Removed Terri From Society




4. ibid












16. see: Lisa McPherson's Death: Was She Killed By Scientology?



For the Life of Terri Schiavo

Human Rights Abuses in Scientology

online books: Understanding Scientology , Inside Scientology/Dianetics , The Mind Benders

Gary and Lisa Ruby

Posted by: juleni at March 29, 2005 2:03 PM

I'm sorry, those footnotes didn't come out in the last post. I am putting them below - as URLs, I have taken out the dots and added a few extra spaces so that hopefully they will post now.

1. www holysmoke org /lm/longevit. htm

2. www factnet org/ Scientology/sciequot. htm?FACTNet

3. www holysmoke org/ cos/scientology-victim-starved. htm

4. ibid

5. www doctrinaltraining net/

6. www holysmoke org/lm/longevit. htm

7.www xenu-city net/ spt-changingstrategy. html

8. home.tampabay.rr com/sp/FLA. html

9. www freedominclearwater org/ iss14/page05a. htm

10. www thestraights com/ editorials/orlando-protest. htm

11. www factnet org/ Scientology/sciequot. htm?FACTNet

12. www rickross com/ reference/scientology/scien386. html

13. www xenu net/fairgame-e. html

14. www-2 cs.cmu.edu/ ~dst/Library/Shelf/ wakefield/us-10. html

15. www worldnetdaily com/ news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35156

16. www factnet org/ Scientology/sciequot. htm?FACTNet

Also see: Lisa McPherson's Death: Was She Killed By Scientology? www factnet.org/ Scientology/Lisa_McPherson_Scientology_Deaths. html?FACTNet

17. www holysmoke org/ cos/ca-hubbard-books-rejected. htm

18. www weeklystandard com/ Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/669hvjvj.>asp

Posted by: juleni at March 29, 2005 3:29 PM

Please read Judiciary Is Not King at http://insultajudge.blogspot.com/

God loves Terri and everyone who knows God loves Terri. "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord," but we have a responsibility to protect the innocent.

H. Everest Wilhelmsen

Posted by: H. Everest Wilhelmsen at April 2, 2005 12:50 PM