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March 22, 2005

FOX NEWS: Judge Declines to Order Reinsertion of Feeding Tube

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Fox News: Judge Whittemore has declined to order reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, as requested by the Schindlers. No further information is available at this time.

Update:
U.S. District Judge James Whittemore said the 41-year-old woman's parents had not established a "substantial likelihood of success" at trial on the merits of their arguments.

Cross posted at Hyscience

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Posted by: Tyrone at March 22, 2005 6:47 AM

TYPICAL LIBERAL JUDGE! What a total inconsiderate abuse of his power! TYPICAL LIBERAL DEMOCRAT! What a JACKASS!

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 6:51 AM

I'm guessing that if he ruled just the opposite - he would have been an angel from heaven - not a jackass.

Posted by: Beth at March 22, 2005 6:56 AM


Looks like our govt believes the same things as Ward Churchill: The innocent deserve to die 'cause they choose to associate with the guilty.

The Bush family legacy:

1) David Souter
2) Securing Iraq while keeping our borders like Swiss Cheese so 9/11 can happen again
3) Ignoring both FL and US Constitutions and Laws to make the eugenics/euthanasia crowd happy.

Gee. How wonderful. And that's just what I can think of at the moment.

Also, I guess my body is owned by the voice of my husband again, unless it means killing a child in abortion. American Sharia Law, I guess.

And I guess states have rights if it means killing the disabled. Otherwise there's a federal law or program......

I'm SO angry. But I know if the Bushes and other powers that be haven't done their jobs by now, no amount of emails is going to make them. "Err on the side of Life" will never mean "doing my job and taking her into Protective Custody".

Terri is the equivalent (or less) of a Guantanamo detainee. I guess we all are now.

God Save America.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 6:57 AM

Beth, Sorry about that! I just know that time is running out for a severly brain dammaged women. . .I really do apologize if I have offended you.

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 7:01 AM

Terri's lawyer couldn't produce an instance where due process was denied. It's tough for a judge to rule in Terri's favor without a reason to do so.

Posted by: Jim at March 22, 2005 7:02 AM

I feel as though I have been kicked in the stomach by a mule and I want to vomit, cry, scream and any other emotion.

God has got to have a purpose in this. We just need to search to see what it is.

Posted by: Jeanettte at March 22, 2005 7:05 AM

I thought the judge was to just rule on the reinstatment of the feeding tube now so that a full hearing from scratch could be heard.

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 7:06 AM

He was just ruling if she had received due process in the courts. If it was found that she had not, he could have ordered new hearings and the tube reinserted. But there was never any guarantee that the tube was going to be reinserted after the Congressional interference. Rather, the bill insured that she got her day in court. She did - they will appeal to the 11th District and to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Beth at March 22, 2005 7:09 AM

For those who pray, pray now for the Lord's intercession, and for his acceptance of Terri close to him upon her unfortunate, but apparently inevitable death.

Aside from the starvation, an important issue remains. What happened to Terri in 1990? Was she the victim of domestic violence? Is there somebody who belongs in jail?

It is a sad, sad state of affairs... a Clinton appointee seems to be on the Pro-Death side along with all but a few courageous Democrats.
This is a path our society has chosen, led by the media and those of the secular humanist religion. Those with moral conscience must stand firm and continue to defend the "least among us" who have no voice.

I hate to say this, but when Terri dies, here is what we need to do to achieve justice for Terri...

Contact the Chief Medical Examiner and demand he act...

Only known contact emails are
mailto:wpellan@co.pinellas.fl.us
mailto:jthogmartin@co.pinellas.fl.us

**********************************************
Example text follows:

Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D., District Chief Medical Examiner
10900 Ulmerton Rd., Largo FL 33778

Dear Dr. Thogmartin:
When Terri Schiavo dies, the potential exists that a crime will be covered up by her planned cremation without autopsy. That potential crime is NOT the issue at the center of the present controversy, but the yet unsubstantiated allegation that an assault led to her condition in the first place.

It has been reported in the press that Michael Schiavo intends to cremate Terri Schiavo immediately upon her death.
According to your department’s policy posted at: http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/policy/policystatement.htm#CA , you must approve or deny all such requests.

It appears you are in the position of declining the case and deferring to the certifying physician (one with a history of 5 NPDB reported malpractice cases) or choosing to disallow the cremation until your office can perform an appropriate investigation and/or postmortem examination to determine both the immediate cause of death AND the proximate cause of death.

I am sure I need not remind you that it is your ethical, legal, and moral responsibility to certify that a crime did not occur. Despite the currently accepted rationale for her initial “event”, evidence on postmortem examination may reveal that Terri Schiavo was the victim of a crime many years ago.
Even Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden publicly stated that he believes that her original injuries could have been consistent with strangulation. You are urged to consult him in the performance of your post mortem examination.

Judge Greer has not allowed an MRI or PET Scan. We both know that PET scans are of no value post mortem, but MRI may have some limited benefit, in addition to the physical autopsy, particularly for small, old injuries to ligaments and muscles that would be consistent with a trauma that occurred due to a crime.

Particularly due to the wide coverage in the press, You are encouraged to be public now about your plans in this regard. If there are perpetrators of a crime covering something up, they will not want you to perform such an examination. Please do not fall victim as well.

I am sorry for the additional pressure this entire affair has brought to you and your staff, but it appears now that you will be the one who will decide whether the Sunshine state really shines sun on the truth (one way or the other).

Thank you,

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 22, 2005 7:12 AM

My sister Nancy has been in a very similar condition for over 2 decades. She is very much alive and believe me ! I was very upset that she was in this state of mind, so one day I put a pillow over her head and when I came to my senses I stopped and took the pillow off...She looked at me like I was the evil sister of death! IT IS NOT FOR US TO DECIDE BECAUSE SHE DID NOT HAVE A LIVING WILL!!!! MICHAEL SCHIAVO IS NOT A CREDIBLE WITTNESS! HE HAS SPENT THE 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS FOR WHAT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR HER CARE ON HIMSELF AND LEGAL FEES. NOW THAT THE MONEY IS OUT THE ATTORNEYS ARE TRYING TO WIND THIS CASE UP ASAP!

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 7:13 AM

Why the hell can't Jeb, or someone, get her out of there so people can try to feed her without the tube?

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 7:14 AM

i just don't get this...do you people not understand that her cerebral cortex is completely liquified? Have you all not taken biology in highschool?
this is just hilarious. There's no liberal agenda here, there's no cruelty (she can't feel a damn thing), and Mr. Schiavo isn't getting mass amounts of money for this. Let it go.

Posted by: heh at March 22, 2005 7:17 AM

Have faith everyone. Keep praying. Miracles do happen.

Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 22, 2005 7:18 AM

Thank you Beth. Altho I 'm still confused. When a casual conversation over cocktails could warrant your slow death. How can anyone who is brain damaged ever protect themselves?

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 7:24 AM

Trolls. Like vultures....

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 7:26 AM

"O give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; for His mercy and loving-kindness endure for ever!

The Lord is on my side; I will not fear...
The Lord is on my side and takes my part, He is among those who help me; therefore shall I see my desire upon those who hate me.
It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in princes...

The Lord is my strength and song, and He is become my salvation...

The right hand of the Lord is exalted; the right of the Lord does valiantly and achieves strength!
I shall not die, but live, and declare the works and recount the illustrious acts of the Lord."

from Psalm 118

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 7:30 AM

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus. Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........ This is necessary. It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your sky then. That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with you too. When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your hands were sticky. You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you when you woke up like this. You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it. "If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin." Why didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your car and tried all the doors. They were locked. It was a red car and it was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat. Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods. You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color and, of course, those little people out there were yours too

Posted by: Buddha at March 22, 2005 7:31 AM

Beth, Trolls are in here, please remove!

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 7:36 AM

Trolls, how about finding something else to do than taunt others. Also, please don't prooftext the words of the Lord. You have absolutely no understanding of the verses you're quoting, and making yourself look like a doofus in the process. Cut it out.

As for Terri, her brain is not "liquified"- you speak of high school bio, why don't you re-take the class. Experts have testified that Terri is NOT in a PVS and has very good chance to improve. Not that most people know the truth of what's going on, thanks to our lovely liberal media.

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 7:37 AM

"AOL users. Like Terri Schiavo."

I wish most of them had her spirit/soul and logic. The news stories, polls, and chat rooms they have make you think otherwise.

Even now, Terri knows this is murder.....

I stay AOL so that I can instant message with a close friend. I'd be out in a flash otherwise.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 7:39 AM

I am appauled that the Judges decision not to rule for the reinsertion of the feeding tube. However, we do not know for certain if his decision has been verified, but we can't wait until we do find out on the slight hope this is wrong and he will rule in our favor.

We must move on to the next peaceful, legal, and lawful way to save Terri's life!

Posted by: TotallyTED at March 22, 2005 7:41 AM

Way to read those talking points amy! don't look for the truth or anything!

I took a look at the WND story, and unfortunately, the facts don't support the claim. Even according to the story, they had made similar comments to her before and received no response. Furthermore, all we have is an anonymous person who refuses- for some strange reason- to be identified, and her father. Her father has already proven that he's willing to invest simple reflexes with cognition that isn't there, and I would be willing to bet a fairly substantial sum of money that the person on the other end of the line didn't have much in the way of medical training, either.

Pseudorandom reflex responses are part of the persistent vegetative state. They're not governed by the cerebrum. Her hippocampus and other hindbrain areas are intact, and threatening or urgent tones of voice can elicit a pseudoemotional response. If you shout at people in certain persistent vegetative states, their bodies will react like Terri's did. It isn't a sign of personality- it's a sign that the most primitive, best-vascularized, and best-protected parts of her brain are still functioning, while the frontal, parietal, and temporal lobes are not

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 7:43 AM

Throwing blame around at this stage of the game does Terri absolutely no good whatsoever, so I would like to suggest we STOP it here and now. I think that Terri is in God's hands now and I trust Him to do what glorifies Him. It would be selfish of me to think anything else.

Posted by: Rebecca at March 22, 2005 7:49 AM

no no no rebecca..selfish is using Terri has a political chess piece.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 7:51 AM

Division of Child and Families is letting Greer tell them they have no jurisdiction. Florida law says otherwise, I'm sure. Why are they listening to Greer?

They're supposed to reassess PVS before pulling the tube. (How do you reassess what you don't diagnose, I don't know. PVS can only be diagnosed through MRI/PET scans, which Michael won't allow (we know why). Not by judicial order.)

Why is it legal for a judge to be your judge and lawyer/counselor? He's already judge, jury and executioner....

Can't tell me she had due process when the cause of her injury was never investigated. The bone scan proves abuse, and the parents were illegally told that the statute of limitations was over when they found out about the scan and went to the authorities. Statute of limitations on potential Attempted Murder cases?

Who says someone should be able to kill themselves with public approval anyway. Maybe I'm too Catholic, but the strongest witnesses to the value of life are those with disabilities.

Their appreciation for the simplest things puts everything into perspective. Their overcoming their obstacles, doing things we take for granted, are just inspirational. Why should we agree to snuff out a life just cause it's a microcosm of our own struggle with the world at large?

Speaks to the basic value of life and suffering. Getting rid of them is part of making us think everything about life should be easy, and therefore government funded and controlled.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 7:52 AM

Quinto: Non Uccidere

Five: Don't Kill

Posted by: Walter Giannò at March 22, 2005 7:53 AM

wow. im just in shock at how terribly uninformed you are, rosalind. It's just. wow.

God, save me from your followers.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 7:55 AM

I suppose it's "fun" for some people to taunt others who are clearly anguished over the turn of events concerning Terri. I can't pretend to appreciate the sarcastic comments made above. Let's just say their obvious intolerance of faith-filled people is obvious as is their lack of courage. After all, cowardice is a classic sign of a "troll."

Posted by: Nerina at March 22, 2005 7:56 AM

Please pray for the soul of the atheist Troll "." who has no respect nor tolerance for people of faith.

He is made in the image of God and is therefore precious, just like Terri.

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 7:56 AM


Sigh,

You're post to me was a compliment.

I consider the source.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 8:00 AM

perhaps . lost his tolerance for people of faith when they started shoving their faith down his throat his atheist throat.

I know i have a hard time tolerating hypocritical christians.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 8:01 AM

It looks as if we really aren't going to need a LIVING WILL, after all. The judge and a spouse who has a COMMON LAW FAMILY GETS TO DECIDE FOR US!

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 8:01 AM

Prayer to Saint Michael:
Saint Michael, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickeness and snares of the devil. My God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou o' prince of the heavenly host by the power of God cast in to hell Satan and all the evil spirtis who prowl the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Pray for Terri and all those wishing her dead.

Posted by: Claudia at March 22, 2005 8:04 AM

I WONDER IF JUDGE WHITMOORE HAS HAD HIS V8 Today?

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 8:05 AM


Yep, Linda. I am property of my husband again, unless it means killing the unborn....

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 8:05 AM

Further, PVS or not, "liquified brain" or not, some people actually believe that life is to be valued no matter how it is lived. It's not always about what we can "get" from life, but what we are giving others through our life. Think of the lessons learned from Terri's humble existence. Think of the depth of love her parents now know, the degree of sacrifice they've endured, the love of others who have supported them. Terri's life has ignited a worldwide discussion on the sanctity of life. Should we all be so relevant. As for the "trolls," all we CAN do is pray for them (which I'm sure they find laughable) and ask God to convict their heart. We can't change their mind, as they can't change ours.

Posted by: Nerina at March 22, 2005 8:06 AM

I commend you all on your support for Terri and her family at this difficult time, and I wish that she would get better, and that this course of action would result in her recovery.

Your hearts are in the right place, and all you who support her are the best kind of people in America.

Unfortunatly your good wishes are being used for political fodder by the Republicans. Can't you see this? They don't care about life, if they did they would help every patient liek Terri across America, and institute some sort of health care.

Remember, the reason Terri is like this is because the hospital screwed up, and the family sued them for damages, that money has kept Terri alive all this time. Under the new "Tort reform" Bush and the GOP signed, you can kiss that goodbye for anyone else this happens too.

Poor people under Bush's "Texas Law" can have their feeding tubes removed AGAINST the family's wishes, especially if they can't afford the procedure.

They are using you for political gains, and really don't care what the outcome is.

God bless you all.

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2005 8:06 AM

Sorry Bryan but I can't agree with you on that . These trolls don't belong here. Terri's life is more valuable and precious since she is doing the best she can. Those who can only be destructive and vemonous in their life don't deserve any kindness. They chose to be that way!

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 8:09 AM

WHIP ME! BEAT ME I'M TRASH! IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE THINK. IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LIVING WILL WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL!!!!!!!

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 8:10 AM

Well, Nerina, with that logic, why are we even burying our dead? Hell, we should keep their rotting flesh and bones on a couch in our living room! I mean, there's biological activity ( rotting) going on in that corpse even though it's...uh..dead.

but the blatant thruth is:
Terri schiavo is dead. She has no cognitive functions. She can feel no pain, she has no awareness, "she" doesn't even exist anymore. Everything that made her human is gone. All that is left is the most primitive parts of the body carrying on reflexively.
SHE'S A SHELL.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 8:11 AM

And I daresay, I've never forced my religion down anyone's throat, unless you count the money given to charity (because our faith motivates us to), or the prayers said in silence, or the time I spend in innercity schools volunteering (again, because I attempt to help "the least of those" among us). The atheists, humanists, secularists can taunt, mock, and insult all they want. I will continue to pray for them.

Posted by: Nerina at March 22, 2005 8:11 AM

Sorry but I don't think its God will to starve someone to death. But He did give us free will and there will always be sinners.

Posted by: Claudia at March 22, 2005 8:14 AM

Sigh,

Hope you feel better. I didn't want to address any particular person, but you are quite offensive. Tell yourself whatever you need to.

Posted by: Nerina at March 22, 2005 8:15 AM

Has any one appealed to President Bill Clinton...democrats bow to his name.....could he be appraoched? How? I am serious

I can't believe that I have to go into work....no access to a phone all day. i have never prayed so hard.
Bless all of you who are continuing to battle today

Posted by: JoMarley at March 22, 2005 8:15 AM

Nerina, im offensive because i speak the truth?

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 8:19 AM

Yeah, health care like in Canada, where people die waiting the 6 months it takes to see a specialist. Healthcare that forces doctors out of business, out of the country ... to where they can make a living... here (still, though we're forcing them out too). Healthcare that has no quality control. Healthcare that takes 25% of what you make and gives to to the feds....

No thanks. I'm of the mind that health insurance should only be catastrophic, and paid for like other kinds of insurance.... by me through my choice..... All other payments by me to the doctor. Capitalism and choice. The best quality control. It's one-on-one.

But I digress. Thanks for the laugh though Pete. I needed it today.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 8:19 AM

I have to go to work now...but some one please contact
Pat Boone at www.RyansReach.com
His grandson had massive injuries like Terris 3 years a go aand with contant therapy, he has make tremendous strides..His family has been constantly supportive even whenhe was in a coma and PVS.....he could be urged to speak out in Terris appeal...Maybe Ryan would even speak out for her on National TY
Good luck

Posted by: JOMarley at March 22, 2005 8:20 AM

It amazes me that we're the ones accused of intolerance.

Hey, if I'm wrong about God all I've suffered is a little crap from you, if YOU'RE wrong - well, let's just say that's a really big screw-up.

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 8:20 AM

Hey .

Still wondering why your boy Kerry and the rest of your moonbat freinds got smashed in the last elections???

hehehe...

Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 22, 2005 8:22 AM

Caryn:

I understand how you feel, but Jesus did say for us to love our enemies.

I agree, they don't belong here, but as followers of the Lord Jesus, we need to demonstrate the Fruit of The Spirit.

God chooses whom He will; perhaps He will work through this blog to choose "." for eternal life.

Remember, he wants none of us to perish.

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 8:25 AM

It's tough to have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
I've done the research, and that's what is so difficult for this case. It's a case that can pave way for the killing of people deemed less than perfect, or too troublesome to take care of, by the wishes of a guardian, even if that guardian is obviously unfit.
As to Terri's condition, when I first was keeping up with the story I sided with Michael Schiavo. However, upon reading up on Terri, upon seeing medical reports by experts, upon seeing Terri respond, I very much believe she has a chance. I wonder how much progress she'd have made had she been given therapy that was recommended but withheld from her.
Trolls, look deeper into the case, and look not just at THIS case but what it could pave way for. I know no words I speak will change your minds, but I keep talking anyway. I shudder at what this country is coming to.
And coward "." who said God's a figment of my imagination.... I feel sorry you have nothing to believe in.
Continually praying for Terri. God's will be done.

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 8:26 AM

I think the real shell is the one who made that statement.

I didn't know you weren't supposed to direct your posts to certain people. Please someone (who's fighting for Terri to live) tell me what the "netiquette" is?

Sorry if I did wrong.

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 8:27 AM

I wonder why people like sigh and company ignore the direct testimony of Dr. Hammesfahr, the neurologist who spent 10 hours with Terri and has issued an affidavit indicating that she is alert, responsive, and can eat, and can recover with therapy. I wonder why sigh etc.ignore Michael Schaivo himself when, prior to the monetary award, he was giving Terri therapy and she was improving.

No amount of fact will convince these ignorant people.

Amazing how they want someone to be tortured to death. SO much for "liberal compassion".

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 8:30 AM

Sigh YOU ARE WRONG
You know have no experience with Braininjured people
I do...Terri shows great hope for Therapy..which Michale has never given her...
You are sqwacking back the lies of MSM and Mr Schiavo.....You are unknwing and overly opinionated....
MY 35 Years of active experience in Special Education is my basis of knowlwedge..not the TV set or Michael Schiavo
Hitler said it was the right thing to do to..to execute the lame, feeble, sick and disabled ...uselss eaters he called them
Next came intellectuals, then tje Jews
evil always starts withthe weak and discarded members of society..because the predjudice against them sits like a cancer in socirties mind..ready to rationalize and justify any evil that befalls them
What is merciful in mercy killings is the it is Not YOU whose flame is being put out.
I suggest you find your way to a message board where your arm chair expertise is appreciated.
I have more than 2/3 's of my life invested in the betterment of people like Terri....Do not insult the depth and skill of my committment with your crazed rantings .

Posted by: JoMarley at March 22, 2005 8:31 AM

To the atheist (if you're still there)-
In case you ever wonder, yes, God will even forgive you for mocking Him - check out Saul/Paul's story.

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 8:33 AM

BTW, this isn't the only site getting attacked by moonbats from the culture of death...

http://www.mofizixgr4fix.com/archives/000103.html

Posted by: MoFiZiX Gr4FiX at March 22, 2005 8:35 AM

Fox News has redeemed themselves after Shep's tirade yesterday. They just had Carla the nurse who was quoted on this site the other day tell the truth about Terris condition and how she caught Michael injecting her with insulin. The truth will keep coming out, keep praying.

Posted by: Claudia at March 22, 2005 8:38 AM

bryan, not everyone who thinks terri should have the right to die is a liberal.

i've studied the brain for quite a long time and i even have a degree in the field. After having read, discussed and analyzed the data presented about the Schiavo case, there's absolutely no merit to the notion that she could recover. Terri has been reduced to primative evolutionary biological functions; a babinski reflexive state almost.

i understand most of you have good intentions and i commend your spirits, but you're in denial about this situation.

that's all. im done here.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 8:40 AM

I'm so angry at the US Catholic Bishops, for many things... but on Terri's case Bishop Lynch (Terri's Bishop, on the PRO LIFE Committee) issues a statement basically telling the Schindlers "it's gonna happen... it's Mike's decision....make peace with Michael before he does it"...(Terri's not on Counci's website)... but then YESTERDAY, riding the wave of emotion for Terri, ALL the bishops come out calling for the end of Capital punishment. Manipulative, evil bas****s they are.

I'm a lifelong Catholic who refuses to have my child raised under the "guidance" of these criminals. I can do a better job raising my kid Catholic than they can. They sent THREE pedophiles to my parish. And the ones who passed them around get promoted to bishop and the Vatican while closing parishes they didn't build (or why do we raise the money?) and stonewalling the AGs so They don't have to be held accountable.

Terri's family, I understand, didn't get ANY help from the diocese (to speak of). The priests they do have with them are from other dioceses. God bless the few that still have a heart and soul. I don't know how the likes of Chaput work with them!!!

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 8:42 AM

Sorry Bryan I stll can't agree. I don't want to go off on this tangent, I just don't believe that those who chose to live distructive and vemonously towards others don't deserve the gift of love from me. Even God has a hell!

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 8:43 AM

To clarify: I am not religious, I am pretty far from fanatical, I am fairly liberal, I vote mostly (but not always) DEM, and I do a lot of work as a legal researcher in custody cases.
I am appalled... I do not know the answer to the following question, and am hoping that someone can enlighten me:
Where, in law, does Judge Greer have the right to deny Terri sustenance/food/water by MOUTH??

Posted by: Raquel at March 22, 2005 8:43 AM

Sigh:

You didn't answer my question. Why do you ignore Dr. Hammesfahr's testimony? He is a Nobel pize nominated doctor who has examined Terri at length. This is his specialty as a neruosurgeon. He examined her; you haven't.

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 8:48 AM

For all those who think that Terri has not cortex: I just wonder what the purpose of the morphine is if Terri does not have any feeling of pain anymore. I guess it's only to spped up the murdeer by inhibiting the respiratory system?

Posted by: Calvin at March 22, 2005 8:49 AM

Be not disheartened, brothers and sisters. Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the powers and principalities in the spiritual realm. We know how things will turn out:

"Vengeance is mine," says the Lord. "I will repay."

Posted by: corrie at March 22, 2005 8:50 AM

Caryn:

I understand how you feel. Yet, Jesus said:
"But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matt. 6:15

Blessings, and keep praying for a miracle from the Lord for Terri.

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 8:51 AM

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I'm sorry some hyrocrite has caused you to be so callous. As far as personal responsibility, if you don't know me, you shouldn't pass judgment on whether I'm personally responsible or not. Just because I disagree with you about choosing Life over Death, doesn't mean I'm not personally responsible. In my opinion (and it counts as much as yours) they aren't mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 8:51 AM

The brain is one of the last frontiers of technology that has not been explored to it's fullest. What we don't know is what Terri really said! It really is time for the courts to be aware of their obligation to uphold the individual rights of ALL people... LET"S START WITH TERRI SINCE WE ARE HERE NOW!

Posted by: Linda at March 22, 2005 8:53 AM

If someone went into terri's room and shot her to end her misery. that person would be charged with murder.....think about it.

Posted by: lee at March 22, 2005 8:53 AM

i can't help it.

Bill Hammesfahr is not widely published.

Peer review of his therapy - vasodilators and ultrasound - is limited. One would think that, after over 5 years, there'd be an acceptance and adoption of the therapy. Near as I can tell, all I've heard is crickets. (I could be wrong about that, but I'd like to see additional basis for Dr. Hammesfahr's assertions regarding his therapy)

also, nobel prize huh?
...even though Nobel prize nominees are held in confidence for 50 years! WOW A FIRST!

think for yourself.

Posted by: sigh at March 22, 2005 8:55 AM

How do you know she wouldn't want to exist in this condition? Did she tell you something? Call the presses, we've found another witness who knows what Terri wants!

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 8:56 AM

I probably have no authority to speak here, since I"m not really a huge God advocate, however all you God fearing folk tend to believe that when you get the call, that's your time to go. In my mind Terri got that call 15 years ago. It is because of medical science that we now keep people like Terri alive, for our own selfish gratification.

This woman deserves the dignity of dying peacefully without the courts interferring any more. The FL courts have done their job correctly. Over the last several years, 11 court verdicts have been consistent. There has been plenty of due process. What our Congress did over the weekend should enrage everybody. They stuck their noses into a State matter. Our Federal system was set up the way it is to make sure state's rights are protected from the federal government. The federal judge made absolutly the correct decision.

It is now time for Terri's family to begin the healing process. Even Michael needs to be allowed to fully get over his wifes death. And stop accusing him of abusing her, although I'm not a doctor, I highly doubt a potassium imbalance was brought on by her being beaten. She had an eating disorder, but more importantly God called her to him...she was selfishing kept living for an additional 15 years...MOVE ON!!!

Posted by: I love this blog at March 22, 2005 8:58 AM

The whole point here is to give Terri the opportunity to tell us what she wants. Something Michael Schiavo has prevented her from doing for years by not allowing any therapy. She could tell us by now if it weren't for him. Oh, wait! That must be what he's afraid of!!

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 8:59 AM

Kevin:

Torturing someone to death by starvation is not dignity.

Why do you ignore the testimony of numerous medical personnel who have issued sworn affidavits comfirming that Terri can feel pain, she is aware, she can eat (yes, EAT!)?

Please educate yourself as to Terri' medical condition here:

http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/03/medical_facts_a.php#more

I ask that you please have some tolerance and respect for Terri's family, who love her, even though you may disagree with them.

Thank you,

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 9:00 AM

Murder isn't God's call. Nobody in their right mind is going to say the little 9-year old murdered by a child molester was called by God.

God's enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy.

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 9:02 AM

And you'd know that, too! Wow, Kevin, what a world you live in...being all-knowing and everything.

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 9:05 AM

Bury Kevin

Posted by: Virginia at March 22, 2005 9:06 AM

No murder isn't God's will. The heart attack she suffered 15 year's ago was God's will. She's been living under science's graces the last 15 years. This isn't murdering her, this is letting her survive on her own, which she cannot do. She will unfortunately die. She will also let her family move on with their lives.

Another question for you so called experts...What happens when her parents die?? Then what?

Also, you cannot educate yourself based on opinions. Stop telling people to go educate themselves on this blog site. Blogs are nothing more than opinions. Opinions are not facts!

Posted by: God's will at March 22, 2005 9:06 AM

Check the interview with Carla Iyer, the RN

http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/

Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 9:08 AM

The Florida courts have done their job correctly? Killing a woman who isn't terminal? Gee, where were they for Steven Hawking and Chris Reeves... nothing selective there.

And I love the ones who can do a mental MRI/PET scan and diagnose her. While the MDs in Congress are getting criticized for wanting her to get all the proper tests, by the (lack of) ETHICS heads of our fine institutions of stratopheric thinking (aka higher learning)

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 9:09 AM

To those posting against Terri's dignity, I'm so sorry. You just have no idea how upsetting this situation is to those of us who can see the dignity and worth of every human being. This includes the disabled and you, too.

If you truly believe that she should be allowed to die with dignity, then you wouldn't publicly insult her.

Please let those of us who love her mourn the dehydration that is being foisted upon her. If you believe in decency, you'll insult neither us nor her.

Posted by: Anguished at March 22, 2005 9:11 AM

Now I can agree with you Bryan. I met with Dr. Hammesfarh. I talked to him about Terri, saw videos and met with those he helped. We descuused what he could do for my husband.

Many neurologist can only talk clinically about the brain . When they say "recover " they mean fully back. There is no cure (as Micheal kept saying he was trying to do for Terri) No doctor can predict the extent a brain can reach when
damaged. Only those Neurologist that deal with rehab would I ever consider as truely valid.

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 9:12 AM

The Judge was a Clinton appointee and a Democrat.

To all the Democrats on this board, please think about leaving your party and joining the Repubs. Most Democrats voted for Terri to die in the House. Join the Republican side for life. I am also a pro-choice Republican and I am loved by the Repubs.

Come over. Please stop feeding the Deathocrats.

PS, I used to be a Democrat....I quit. I hope this is another straw that breaks the back. The Democrats are responsible for her starving currently.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:12 AM

Sigh:

So the deciding factor for accepting someone's sworn affidavit is whether or not he is widely published? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

As far as his Nobel nomination, here's a copy of the letter from Congress presenting him to the Nobel committee. http://www.hnionline.com/nobel_prize_nomination.htm

You're right though, I have no firsthand knowledge of whether or not he was actually nominated to/by the Nobel committee.

That is a side issue, however, inasmuch as the Congress asked to have him considered. So, to me, the letter shows that he does have credibility.

Since you'd like to see more info about his assertions, here's his website. http://www.hni-online.com/
Now you no longer have an excuse as an educated person to do more research, if you really are open minded to obtaining additional information. If you choose to remain ignorant, that's your choice.

And I have no way of verifying the truth of his assertions other than reviewing the testimony of other medical professionals who corroborate him, which is what those of us who "think for ourselves" (as you so succinctly put it)should do. But we should look at all the data available instead of simply dismissing it out of hand, don't you think?

After all, we are talking about someone who is being slowly tortured to death by starvation.

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 9:12 AM

This is upsetting to the entire American public. This is a very private matter that has been over publicized for the last 2 years. It is time to let this woman move one. !% years is too long. Let it go. You don't know this woman, why it is causing you so much distress is actually somewhat funny. People die...it's a fact of life. We will all die eventually. Get over your self rightousness and let it go.

Posted by: RE: Anguished at March 22, 2005 9:15 AM

If the purpose of removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube is to starve her to death, then it would be more humane to give her a lethal injection.

Posted by: Leo Wong at March 22, 2005 9:17 AM

and here's the actual report by Dr. Hammesfahr

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 9:18 AM

Ruth,

I love how you have made this a Republican vs Democrat fight. This has nothing to do with politics!!!! All republicans are the same, if something doesn't go your way, it must because of us horrible democrats. I have news for you, this shouldn't even be a political battle. And if you had bothered to check, you'd see that over 100 democrats didn't even vote on the measure, neither did about 50 republicans. Do make this a political battle. That's where we have all gone wrong. This is about a woman who has the right to die peacefully without us telling her and her husband what to do. The rule of government isn't to muttle into people's lives, however if you republicans have anything to say about it, than that's exactly what government will continue to do. I AM SICK OF IT!!! I want to live my life without that type of interferance!!

Posted by: Re: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:21 AM

Kevin:

Thanks for the clarification. Dehydrated to death.

Since when is Fox News the sole arbiter of truth? (I know a lot of bloggers here probably think so!) There are many other sources that state the opposite; she is alert, she can feel pain. Several medical professionals who have treated Terri has swron affidavits attesting to this. THAT IS WHY WE ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT TERRI! There is so much conflicting eyewitness testimony about Terri's condition that we truly beleive based on that evidence that Terri is enduring horrible treatment. If she was not cognizant or could not feel, it would be a different story. Yes, the mainstream thinks that is the case, yet there are many firsthand reports of the opposite being true. We are passionate because we believe this information has been covered up. Maybe we're wrong. But what if we aren't? Then Terri is suffering a cruel and inhumane treatment, and I don't think even you would want her to undergo that.

All we are asking is for this information to be brought to light. We honestly believe (based upon the direct testimony of the persons invloved) that Greer and Schindler have covered this up.

Check out www.theempirejournal.com

As long as there is a reasonable doubt (which there is) that Terri is still AWARE and can feel pain, then we believe that she should not undergo this cruel treatment. We wouldn't do that to a dog.

Bryan

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 9:29 AM

To ReRuth and ReAnguished:

You're the same person. You're a troll and when Beth awakens you will be gone.

Thanks for playing anyway troll. Please go to your Democrat Kill Terri sites.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:30 AM

Ruth, how could you be so blind my friend? The facts of case are loud, there's no need to bring politics, law etc. here

Have you read about sarah scantlin?

Have you read the Nobel nominated doctor's report?
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Did you know that $1 million given for Terri's therapy was never used for her therapy?

Did you know that she has been in a room where the curtains are "ordered" drawn (Why??? just this one incident ought to convince you that the husband doesnt have her best interests)

Do you still call this guy a husband who has the right to decide her life or death?

This is not a case of govt. vs. husband. It is the case of loving parents vs. husband who has given up and moved on.

Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 9:32 AM

Even if you take Michael at his word, Terri said something like 'I wouldn't want to live that way'. Same thing could be said for cancer, I'm sure... even AIDS and Drug addiction, on and on goes the list. That's a normal human comment. She did not say "Kill me if I'm ever like that".

Moral of Mike's story.... Watch out what you say at movies... or while watching the news, or.......

Posted by: Rosalind at March 22, 2005 9:32 AM

Ruth,

I love the mindless Republicans who don't like thinking for themselves. The woman is already dead. She has been kept alive by a feeding tube. Let her go in peace. It is not murder, it is a natural life process.

And the purpose of a blog is to insight conversation. I haven't called anybody out, I'm simply expressing my opinions, as are you. The content on this website are all personnal beliefs.

Get over yourself.

Posted by: Re: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:35 AM

suita: I am Ruth.

I think you meant your answer for ReRuth & ReAnguished.

I'm on your side and on the side of Terri. :)

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:36 AM

ReRuth:

Please leave.

The Webmistress said that this is a support Terri site.

Begone and leave us and Terri in peace.

Please respect us.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:37 AM

Sorry about that Ruth.

Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 9:38 AM

This is sad what is happening to Terri:( We got to keep contacting people aout this and praying. Its sad they can starve a woman to death in FL and get away with it but a Rancher in FL is in join because he is accused of starving cattle herd.

"Swails, 47, is accused of letting his cattle starve in a pasture that was devoid of forage.

He was arrested Thursday and is being held in jail on $100,000 bail. Each of his 120 charges carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison."

This guy could get 500 years in jail!
Here is the story http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050319/NEWS01/503190523/1002/NEWS01

Sad day in America when a animals life is more important than a humans life.

Posted by: Aaron at March 22, 2005 9:40 AM

Suita:

No problem. I have contacted the webmistress and let them know there's a troll in our midst. :)

More than that I am terribly worried about Terri. I'm hoping that an Appeals Court will allow her to be fed.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:40 AM

If any of you will be around tonite, Dr. Ronald Cranford will be on Hannity and Combs tonite. I know many of you have the link to this so called PVS expert. I will be at work. He needs to be exsposed!

Teri's nurse Carla just spoke on cnn blasting Michael !

Posted by: Caryn at March 22, 2005 9:41 AM

I don't know to gently get across to you that the forced dehydration and starvation of a fellow human being is terribly upsetting.

Please, please, stop taunting those of us who think deserve an ice chip placed between their parched and drying lips.

Posted by: Anguished at March 22, 2005 9:44 AM

I'm with you Anguished.

I also feel anguished.

I wish she could be fed and hydrated. Time is of the essence.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 9:48 AM

Unfortunately people have made their minds up and firmly believe Terri is a vegetable, has a liquified brain, and can not feel pain whatsoever. They base this on the words of a proven liar (Michael Schiavo) and his team of yes-men. Those experts say Terri is a vegetable. However, many experts disagree with this diagnosis and say Terri CAN feel pain, and is responsive, is not a PVS, etc. How do we know for sure? Run more tests. But, but... Michael won't let Terri have any tests.
My point is... if there's even a chance Terri can feel pain, is responsive, etc, should this be investigated before killing her? Even if there's the slightest chance that Michael Schiavo's experts are wrong? A human being is currently being starved (or dehydrated) to death, which is NOT a pleasant way to go. Terri should have some respect and rights.
Those who claim we're using Terri as a political pawn are sick. We care and value human life. We don't want to see ANYONE be tortured the way Terri has been. As others have been pointing out, household pets are treated better. Would you want a loved one of yours to be starved or dehydrated to death based on the claims of a dubious testimony of a self-absorbed liar?

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 9:52 AM

Principles are valued above people. This is sick.

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 10:08 AM

Those who have supported Michael Schiavo are going to REGRET this, and those red state Democrats in Congress who voted against saving Terri Schiavo are going to lose their jobs.

Man, what idiots, including that judge.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 10:11 AM

I wonder when or if Terri dies, the parents can bring a wrongful death lawsuit against Michael Schiavo.

For the sake of truth, he needs to be revealed for what he is.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 10:16 AM

It is time to take extraordinary action!

Jeb Bush must activate his national guard or order his state troopers to raid the hospice and force the reinsetion of Terri's feeding tube. He should arrest anyone who interferes with this action.

Congress should isue arrest warrants for all those involved with the removal of the tube, they are all in contempt of congress for tampering with a congressional witness.

Our guys have to play hardball, the other side is loaded with vicious killers who will not concede, to do so would acknowledge a value in human life, and that would their political agenda.

Gov. Bush must ignore the courts, they have been out of control for too long and it is high time someone puts a thumb in the eyes of these judges.

The only recourse would be an attempt to impeach Gov. Bush, and the legislature has neither the poitical will nor the votes to successfully accomplish such a move.

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!"

Posted by: warren at March 22, 2005 10:17 AM

Warren,

You are suggesting we should live in a dictatorship, where a govenor or president has absolute power. The way our system works is to uphold the constitution, and there is a system in place that guarentees it. The court overruled Terri's law because they found in unconstitutional. A govenor doesn't have all binding powers. If they did, I wouldn't want to live here...Neither would you.

Posted by: Dictatorship at March 22, 2005 10:24 AM

Yep: I've been asking on this blog for days why Jab and the Congress are doing NOTHING but watching? Are they cowards too?


Jeb can use FDLE/DCF under Fla. statute ch 415.1051(2)

Congress can ENFORCE its subpoena.

Posted by: Bryan at March 22, 2005 10:26 AM

I pray that Jesus Christ will be close to Terri and her blood relatives, who are undergoing such torment by this evil. The Lord will judge those judges who judged wrongly against life.

Posted by: bro. Rene van Dyk at March 22, 2005 10:27 AM

Michael Schiavo is a registered nurse licensed in Florida. His license is up for renewal next month according to the Florida Board of Nursing's web site. There is the ability to file a complaint with the board from their web site. Given these allegations of past abuse and they way he's abusing Terri now, should not the licensing board investigate this to protect the public whom he might render nursing care to?

Posted by: Angie at March 22, 2005 10:30 AM

It's hard to just sit here knowing Terri is dying inch by inch and Michael is getting away with all his abuse and lies. I'd love for him to be found out for what he is, but by then Terri will already have missed her chance. Thank God she'll awaken in Heaven. I pray God's will be done, and that Terri will somehow be spared from the agony of slow dehydration and starvation. I urge prayerful people to do the same, as well as pray for Terri's family for strength, peace, and love.

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 10:31 AM

Dictatorship

I prefer the decisions of elected officials to those made by judges who cannot pay a penalty for their bad rulings.

I do not suggest dictaorship, I suggest Giv. Bush do what he has sworn to "Defend and protect the Constitution of the United States".

You seem to be happy in a judicial dictatorship!

Terri has not committed a crime nor been convicted under due process of law, she cannot, constitutionally, be put to death, not by electric chairm hangig, lethal injection, or starvation!!!

The court is in clear violation of the law, it is in contempt of Congress, Terri is a Congressional witness under subpeona.

The court has colluded with health care workers and terri's polygamist husband to violate that subpeona by "offing" a witness.

Perhaps we should put her in the witness protection program?

Posted by: Warren at March 22, 2005 10:33 AM

Good point, Angie. It's very easy to believe that if he treated his own wife so horribly, that he could do the same to anyone else. He shouldn't be allowed the opportunity to hurt any other dependent people.

Posted by: Amy at March 22, 2005 10:34 AM

Jeannettte said:

"I feel as though I have been kicked in the stomach by a mule and I want to vomit, cry, scream and any other emotion.

God has got to have a purpose in this. We just need to search to see what it is."

Jeanette, I think that He does have a purpose in this (not that He caused it!), and it will likely not be what the culture of death crowd want to happen, but the very opposite.

The plight of this poor woman has become a sort of tug-of-war between those who value life and those who rally for the right to die/kill (abortion-on-demand, euthanasia, assisted suicide), as if whichever way the situation falls, either Terri dies (is murdered), or is rescued, will somehow indicate which side is right.

And the culture of death seem to think that if Terri is starved to death (not "allowed to die", because she isn't dying, or at least she wouldn't be if they weren't refusing her water and food), then her death is a triumph for their side, the right to die.

But what I believe will happen is quite the opposite. If Terri dies, she will become a martyr to the cause of right to life. Her death will be the catalyst that causes a crystalization of the passion and compassion that exists in our hearts for all life. Those who have sat on the sidelines and refused to hear or think about the evil which exists in the world in the form of abortion and euthanasia will begin to wake up and know that the time to choose sides has come.

Particularly when the autopsy reveals evidence that her bones were broken, likely in a strangulation attempt. The real truth will out.
Meanwhile, my prayers are with Terri and her family, and with all of those who hold life sacred.

Posted by: Peggy Snow Cahill at March 22, 2005 10:39 AM

Well, I see the pro-death trolls are back. Funny how they always seem to:

-Hate God and have extreme intolerance for religion
-Regurgitate Michael's talking points like parrots. "She died 15 years ago, squawk!!! She wants to pass on, squawk!!! ALL doctors say she can't get better because her brain is liquified, squawk!!! You're hypocrites, squawk!!!"
-Ignore Dr. Hammesfahr and the other 30 doctors who claim that Terri could improve with treatment. We won't even give them a shot, we who claim to be in favor of science and experimentation. We'd rather allow Terri to starve to death.

I think we should start sending Matthew 25:31-46 to some of these "Christian" politicians who want to kill Terri:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.""

Posted by: JWL at March 22, 2005 10:40 AM

This is a website in support of Terri and the Schindlers. If those who want to mock us, or make fun of us, please go and start your own website. This is like a support group for Terri, and just like AA group doesn't allow people to bring alcohol into their meetings, we don't allow trolls to cause problems here. All IP addresses are being logged and will be banned on the discretion of the webmaster.

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 10:40 AM

The public has really been ill-served by the media in this case.

They've portrayed this case as a "family dispute" and "right-to-die," while not even bothering to look at all of the red flags surrounding the devoted husband, which are LEGION.

The public would NOT support this guy, a man who threatens to put O.J. to shame, as he has used the courts to finish the job he could have started but botched.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 10:41 AM

My understanding is there won't BE an autopsy, and Terri will be cremated, per Michael's orders.

Just par for the course of a murderer who wants to cover his tracks.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 10:43 AM

I guess I'm confused.

First the Federal courts were the way to go.
Now this judge is a "liberal" because he reviewed both sides best case and ruled the same? This would be the third trial judge that has come to the same conclusion?

Doesn't that raise the possibility that just perhaps Judge Greer was right? And that maybe there are aspects to this tragic case that we outsiders don't know about?

/Not trolling. Offering an opposing viewpoint and a little critical thinking.

Posted by: Jack at March 22, 2005 10:43 AM

Suan:

I saw a poll (on Fox news no less) that said about 70 percent of those polled would let Terri die if they were in Michael's place.

Another poll I saw said that 68 percent of respondants wouldn't want to live Terri.

If the polls are to be believed, then "right to die" has sound support.

Just saying.

Posted by: Jack at March 22, 2005 10:47 AM

Maybe you folks should be a little more open minded. Your opinions are hardly objective. Maybe this is just a 'test' for all of you. Sorry to say, but most are failing miserably. You need to check all of that blind hatred for those who don't follow your beliefs. Of course, throughout time, this has been the catalyst for tens of millions of deaths. So why should anything change. What's a little crusade compared to this?
Keep the faith! And kill those who don't! Sounds logical to me.

Posted by: SoonToBeDeletedByTheClosedMinded at March 22, 2005 10:47 AM

Actually, I was under the assumption that a new court case would actually occur, not a review of the previous court cases where there are tons of evidence Judge Greer didn't accept!

This is an outrage!

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 10:48 AM

We have not come on here and mocked any of you. We have not used fowl language. We have not been at all intolerent. We simply want our opinions to be heard as well. If we went out and created our own website, you would be there to do the same thing we are doing.

We simply want you all to hear our opinions as well. Remember, blogs are not about educating, rather they are for people who want to express their opinion about certain issues. This is a tragic issue, but there are two sides to the story. Michael has his version, the Schindlers have theirs. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. The judges have ruled based on the evidence presented by both sides. The medical opinions are from third partys who happen to know what they are talking about.

For any one of us to come up with a medical opinion with (a) a medical degree and (b) without examing Terri, is wrong. Dr. Frist, has not gone down to FL to examine her, instead he has taken edited video clips to form is opinion. That is not a thorough and proper examination. All these medical experts weighing in on TV are doing so based on video evidence. No one can say anything conclusive, unless they have been with Terri and have given her a proper examination.

Posted by: To Sirena at March 22, 2005 10:49 AM

No, he has spoken to doctors who have examined Terri.

Here's one doctor's report
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Here's an interview with RN who attend on Terri
http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/guests/iyer.carla.20050309

Posted by: sujata at March 22, 2005 10:52 AM

The deal is Michael Schiavo is not a credible person. The media is not reporting the affidavits of those who said he was controlling, abusive, and that he admitted Terri NEVER talked to him about this. Michael Schiavo is not trying to do the kind thing, and he does have alot of finances to gain from this. There IS alot of money left over, and I'm sure from the book that he and George Felos are going to write, the death of Terri is going to bring them much worldly wealth.

It's sickening.

And here is a family who wants to just take care of their disabled daughter, who has never had the rehabilitation her so called husband promised her she'd have, and they are forced to watch the courts dehydrate her to death. God have mercy on us all.

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 10:52 AM

Sirena:

From what I've seen so far, it looks like the Federal judge is trying to figure out whether or not there is even any Federal jurisdiction here.

I would look for the parent's lawyers to try a civil rights defense, if they haven't already.

Posted by: Jack at March 22, 2005 10:53 AM

The problem is you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know a THING about the particulars of the case, you want to believe this is about a loving husband who is merely carrying out his wife's wishes but for the fact a bunch of fanatical right-to-lifers, who are horrible and supporting her parents, are blocking him.

The truth be damned, and you don't want to see it.

Only ONE judge has made a decision based on dubious facts. All of the rest are basically ruling on procedure, including the federal judge.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 22, 2005 10:54 AM

Susan,

When did you become the authority on this case??? Are you a member of the family? Are you a close friend? Don't tell people they don't know the facts of the case. The case is out there for everybody to see, and both sides are telling their side of the story in different ways. It just depends on what side of the case you are looking at. Since when did opinion become truth?

Posted by: TO Susan at March 22, 2005 10:59 AM

Susan,

Thats the fact, one judge has decided to kill this woman, the rest is legal wrangling, which is much of the process; however, this poor woman does not have the time to crawl through the legal maze that is our court system.

Something must be done, NOW!

Posted by: Warren at March 22, 2005 11:01 AM

Dear "TO Susan"

The case is not out there for everyone to see, "everyone" sees versions thant have been painted the hue chosen by the messengers.

Assuming that all the facts are not "out there", let's choose the safe route, keep her alive, and then all those who wish to kill her will have more facts behind their feelings.

In cannot be wrong to err on the side of life.

Posted by: Warren at March 22, 2005 11:05 AM


Who will judge the judges?

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph

God presides, standing among the divine multitudes
judging those who judge, those "gods" among men:

"How long will you render perverse judgement
and show favor to the wicked?

(pause silently)

Defend the cause of the lowly and orphaned!
Be righteous, just and true with the poor and oppressed!
Rescue the weak and needy - deliver them from the cruel clutches of the wicked!"

They don't know or understand, they wander in darkness.
All the foundations of the earth stagger for this reason.

I say,
"You are all divine - truly 'gods',
all of you are sons of the Most High,
but you shall die as mortals - as men,
like Adam,
like any other authority that has ruled the earth".

Arise O God and judge the earth,
for all the nations are yours alone!

Posted by: Chris at March 22, 2005 11:10 AM

Well, a convicted felon has more rights than Terri has. This is what is a big problem. And while animal owners are put in jail for starving their animals to death, it's perfectly fine for a husband to do so.

If Terri dies, I surely hope that a wrongful death suit will be filed.

Michael is like Scott Peterson in my eyes, it's just that he's trying to say he's doing this (killing her) out of the kindness *cough* of his heart.

Posted by: Sirena at March 22, 2005 11:10 AM

Everyone:

The TO:WHOMEVER person is a big troll that won't leave this morning.

As soon as the moderator and webmaster see them they will be gone.

In the meantime, if you see TO:XXX (Your name) IGNORE IT AS IT IS A TROLL.

The troll is refusing to sign their own name

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 11:15 AM

If you click on the TO:XXX name you will see their email address which is

berniersb2@aol.com

That is the current troll folks, do not respond to it.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 11:17 AM

This will be appealed to the Supreme Court of the US.
It will be rejected.

The man who murdered the 9 year old girl will be freed on a legal technicality and will kill again. When he is finally caught and imprisoned and sentenced to death, he will gather a crowd of 50,000 who will object to his 'cruel death'.

Michael Schiavo will meet an ignominous ending. He will be fried and totally shamed.

The foundations of the earth are shaking and the light is going out. The world will be plunged into a period of incomparable darkness - even darker than the last century.

Posted by: Chris at March 22, 2005 11:24 AM

I pray for this family, what amazing people they are. A wrongful death suit should definately be filed!At this point I dont feel there is any hope left for Terri. And then Michael can go off and be legally married to his common law wife of 10 yrs. And I am tired of the media saying this is political, this is not political this is a human being, living breathing laughing crying human being! It is basic to protect the weak and disabled when no one else is stepping up to do so.

Posted by: adrienne at March 22, 2005 11:29 AM

I have done nothing other than state my own personal believes. Ignore me if you will. I have not called anyone names, nor have I hated on anyone here. I simply wish that you all would look at the whole story here. You are so quick to judge the judges in this case, and the husband, and to turn this into a political he said she said battle. Like I have said before, we all have opinions in this matter, and all are entitled to them.

Posted by: To Everyone at March 22, 2005 11:33 AM

I am so heart-broken that I am having difficulty functioning. I spent 8 years in the US military because I believe in this nation and our Constitution. In fact, I would have died defending it; but WHY?

I see our young soldiers dying because they believe in the US Constitution. I see parents crying at their graves. I see my husband with his idealogy believing that his military presence is for the greater good. And then I see judges throwing out the CONSTITUTION and legislating from the bench. I see judges ordering an innocent young woman to die without even facing her. I see judges who "know" what is best for Terri. And I see these same judges who will release murderers, pedophiles, arsonists, etc based on a technicality. These judges don't even see the greatest "technicality" of all---Terri's life is being handed over by a judge who has violated the law with multitudes of "conflict of interests"

You know, I envy Terri. I pray for her now, as she is tortured; but I know that once she is gone, she will be free of the starvation torture. I envy her, because she will be in Heaven; she spent 15 years in Hell and several years at Hell's door during her marriage to Michael.

If God does bring Terri home, I pray that it is on Good Friday. How much greater could her suffering be to align it with the day we remember Her Lord and Savior's Death? And if God does allow Terri to live, I would love to see her "RISE" with Her Savior on Easter. Cruel to keep the food out, yes---but if the courts are so hell bent on her starvation, I would love to see her sacrifice united with that of the Lord.

God Bless Terri Schindler. And God forgive the US JUDGES; they are not JUST, they are just (only)judges.

Posted by: Tress at March 22, 2005 11:40 AM

Tress: I feel like you do.

I can't even get myself to work this morning.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 11:55 AM

Michael is a scum sucking domestic abuser. HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE. Watch, Terri dies. Next thing, his common law wife comes out and says he abused her. Michael is then charged with first degree murder. All the judges who ruled in his favor should be disbarred and sued for wrong death along with Michael.

THIS IS NOT A DEM vs REP. This is about a living human being who has been abused and tortured by a scum bag.

If this happens, please please make me a juror. I will make sure he gets the death penalty. Death by starvation and dehydration.

G-d bless Terri and her family. My son turned 1 today and this whole situation just breaks my heart.

Posted by: Julie at March 22, 2005 12:00 PM

Julie,
I had not heard that he was a domestic abuser. Please give me the source of this information. Why was he not charged in the courts? Why did they not revoke his rights to determine his wifes care if this was the case? Any evidence of this behaviour with his current girlfriend?

Posted by: Ben at March 22, 2005 12:07 PM

There are the xrays with all the broken bones. Then there are the nurses who said he called her "a bitch and wanted to know when she would die".

The family did indeed bring this up to the courts. They said it had no basis in the hearing.

WTF??

Posted by: Julie at March 22, 2005 12:13 PM

Ben:

Just look through the info at terrisfight.com. The xrays and the fact that people have said there are suspicious circumstances.

In addition, google Nat Hentoff's excellent article he wrote for the Village Voice about the facts that show evidence of MS being an abuser.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 12:20 PM

Did some searching. http://www.earnedmedia.org/bonescan.htm

This doesn't make sense. Fractured vertebrea, ankles, knees, femor, etc. all showing 'abnormal' focal areas?? There was never any allegation of so much as a slap before she went into a coma. Afterwards, according to this scan she's been run over by a freight train. If this guy did this to her, she would have looked like she'd went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson (no offence). How did someone at the time she was initially admitted not notice this as there is no recored of it on her admission sheet?? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to sort this out.

Posted by: Ben at March 22, 2005 12:28 PM

Ben:

Michael Schiavo had her previous health records sealed.

I agree with you though, it does seem very suspicious what he did with her, especially given the x-rays.

Which is one reason people think Michael wants her dead.

Dead women don't talk.

Posted by: Ruth at March 22, 2005 12:35 PM

A question for those more knowledgeable about this case than me: Michael Schiavo claims that Terri told him that she wouldn't want to live in a state like the one she is in. My quesiton is, has he ever given the EXACT and SPECIFIC circumstances in which she made those comments? For example, was it supposedly in response to a particular movie, show or news item on TV? It just seems to me that because there was no written documentation of her wishes, everyone is going with mere oral recollection, and in a life or death matter, it had better be precise. I don't recall that 15 or more years ago the topics of living wills, quality of life, etc...being that prominent an issue in public debate, and I'm just not conviced that a healthy 26 year old at that time would bring the issue up on her own. Does anyone know? Thanks.

Posted by: Simone at March 22, 2005 12:40 PM

Read a little of both sides accounts in the matter and all I can say is I'm glad I don't have to decide on this. I could make a case for both sides having reason to want to manipulate the facts.That said, If I DID have to decide I would allow her to live while a final, independant review of ALL of the information was completed. Nearly everyone seems to have a strong bias one way or another to the point that I don't know what to believe. It's a tragic story.

Posted by: Ben at March 22, 2005 12:45 PM

Simone, alledgedly this is the account:

In 1988, Michael Schiavo's grandmother was hospitalized with a serious illness. She had signed a "do not resuscitate" order, Scott Schiavo said, but when she worsened, no one looked at her records.

"They stuck a ventilator down her throat. She was brain-dead," Scott Schiavo said.

All the family could do was wait until medications that kept her heart beating wore off. It took a day and a half.

After the funeral, conversation turned to how upset their grandmother would have been at her final hours.

Terri turned to him, Scott Schiavo said, "and she said, 'Not me, no way, I don't want that.' She says, 'If I'm ever like that, oh, don't let me. Pull that tube out of me.' " Scott Schiavo said he testified about the incident in 2000.

Posted by: Vanessa at March 22, 2005 12:57 PM

Thank you Vanessa.

Posted by: Simone at March 22, 2005 1:07 PM

Also http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2005/03/what_to_greers_.html is a collection of quotes of what everyone supposidly testified at the trial.
I can't say if it's complete or not but it seems to be.

Posted by: Vanessa at March 22, 2005 1:27 PM

Everyone who hasn't been following the case seems so APPALLED to learn about michael shitavo's duplicity. They can't believe things we are writing about and question, "Why wasn't this brought up in court?"

Well, the truth is, actually--it was brought up in court. BTK greer ignored the evidence and ruled in michael's favor. Oh, why would he do that? Depends--how much money did michael and george feel-less contribute to greer's invalid election?

They bought the judge folks--and the higher courts don't seem to think this is a problem. And since those of you anti-Terri bloggers on this web don't see this as a problem, then I pray that you never face a judge who was bought and paid for by your opposition. It is this fact alone--that Terri's rights to a fair trial and to fair representation--force this as a federal issue. Her CONSTITUTIONAL rights have been violated. Oh, but the left-leaning idiot brained judges don't see this. I think I'd like to know how many of these judges have been on the shiavo-feel-less payroll.

By the way, is Justice Kennedy of the US Supreme Court related to Teddy? If so, it explains why the Supreme Court hasn't listened to Terri's plight.

Posted by: Tress at March 22, 2005 1:29 PM

Shame to Jeb & Dubya BUSH for using this sad story for political gain.

I hope it backfires on them !!

Posted by: BushShaver at March 22, 2005 3:54 PM

Something to think about when you look at poll numbers: consider the way the questions are worded. For example, ABC News asked people "if you had a loved one on life support who was unresponsive or unconscious, would you be willing to discontinue care?" Obviously, a biased question. No need to go into the minutae of this case. Terri was not on "life support" in the traditional medical sense and her state of consciousness is definitely debatable. I was initially disturbed by the results, but then looked at the questions more closely.

Posted by: Nerina at March 22, 2005 4:49 PM

Nerina,

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled long ago that a feeding tube is as much life support as a ventilator or other medical equipment used to "sustain" life.

Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2005 4:53 PM

To Tress,
If the president is using this for political gain, the poll numbers don't show that. Most people are against the government getting involved in this. Of course, I don't think the media is being clear on Terri's actual state when they put these polls together like Nerina commented. If Bush didn't get involved, people would gripe that he isn't doing anything because it would be political suicide. I have a lot of respect for our president, and I feel he will do what he feels he can without stepping on our constitution or our laws. I realize this is a life, and it is truly bothering me that they are allowing her to starve to death. When do we start killing people with alzheimers? They don't have a good quality of life. What about mentally retarded people? Who decides who lives and who dies? Obviously our liberal judges!!

Posted by: sandy at March 22, 2005 5:21 PM

Farking murderers. Burn in hell.
In my opinion these Judges are brain dead, and I don't give a fark about what tests say because they are irrelevant apparently, so if these Judges are brain dead in my opinion, then by their ruling shouldn't they be executed? Makes as much sense as their rulings on Terri.

I think whatever God there is will be very pissed at these egocentric pricks trying to play God with Terri's life, and pity help them when it comes to their day of judgement.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 22, 2005 5:27 PM

My previous comment was referring to BushShaver's comment - not Tress. The names listed are sort of backwards.
I am listening to Sean Hannity right now...he has the nurse who had made sworn testimonies earlier about Michael's comments and his strange actions. It is extremely chilling to hear, and if a judge does not intercede with this information coming out, something is horribly wrong with our judicial system.

Posted by: sandy at March 22, 2005 5:33 PM

It is past time to continue participating in this unjust legal system and current case regarding Terri Schiavo. It is critical to initiate criminal action, to bring Michael Schiavo to justice through indictment for premeditated murder. He is killing his wife. Since he is a nurse, he knows how to inflict injury without detection. He is cruel and unfeeling about anyone except himself. If he had nothing to hide, he would not be so adamant in sealing the truth about his wife, 15 years ago and now. Terry deserves comprehensive medical evaluation while she is alive at today's standards. If criminal action is initated, it would start this case anew and protect Terri while investigation of the allegations and determination of the facts take place. Michael Schiavo should never be allowed to seal Terri's records, seclude her in a hospice, refuse continuing medical monitoring, and torment her family. His callousness and concern for himself are appalling. He should be immediately removed as Terri's guardian and she should be placed in protective care. He should not be allowed to see her at all while the truth is discovered. Fight for Terri. Don't go along with the limited and narrow focus of the Florida courts and the federal courts. Defendants have no control over what happens. Prosecutors have. Expose and prosecute Michael Schiavo now!

Posted by: Carol at March 22, 2005 6:47 PM

I've got some questions. Why don't the "right to die" people just shut up...and die. WHO IS STOPPING THEM? They're like vultures or ghouls in their eagerness for Terri's death.

People! Everyone dies! But, fortunately, not everyone is deliberately killed. IF this is, indeed, what you want for yourself, then set to work obtaining it for YOURSELF. If there's something in it for them, I'll bet Schiavo and Greer and their ilk will help you. But why do you need help? Starvation, dehydration is easily done all by oneself.

Just tell me this: Why do you want Terri dead (what is it to you), and why are you making such a big deal about your own death wish. That is personal, between you and you. If you want to die, DIE. If you want someone to kill you, hire a hit man--or stand in the road if you're indigent.

Terri already has her self-appointed executioners and you are superfluous. The rest of us stand against those executioners because they are SELF appointed, not requested by Terri or anyone else with a valid interest in Terri. As for you, just go quietly off and provide for yourself, and we promise to respect your dignity.

Posted by: MARY at March 22, 2005 6:54 PM

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Posted by: Carol at March 22, 2005 6:54 PM

Sandy:

I (Tress) am pro-Bush, pro-Terri, anti-michael and a pro-blogger. I've only been posting to let Terri live, never insisted that Bush wants political gain. Love Bush. Disappointed right now that he hasn't been able to do more, but love him.

Tress

Posted by: Tress at March 22, 2005 7:13 PM

My hope for Terri will never be dashed until it's over. Where there's life, there's hope.

Posted by: Janice at March 22, 2005 7:39 PM

I was watching CNN and they interviewed both the neurologist on Michael's side and the one on the Schindler's side the court appointed one wouldn't consent to be interviewed.

The neurologist hired by Michael, stated that Terri's EEG was flat! FLAT! Dr. Sanjay Gupta says that seemed to him to be a strange thing to say as it is quite apparent that Terri is not brain dead and that is the only way her test could show flat readings.

No kidding! How is it that the supposedly competent court appointed neurologist didn't notice that tiny little inconsistency and say something? So this guy can't tell when someone is brain dead or not and he is a credible witness? How could a judge not notice that tiny little problem? You don't have to be a doctor to know that it is not possible.

Somebody has to have heard him and noticed that not only is it a strange thing to say, but that it is scientifically and medically IMPOSSIBLE for Terri Schiavo's EEG to be flat!

Posted by: imdll at March 22, 2005 9:23 PM