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March 23, 2005

Fl Senate Update: Gov. Bush Poised To Act

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The Senate in Tallahassee is convening today at 1 PM for the last time before easter recess. No one has any idea as to how long they'll take...Gov Bush has agreed that if Senate can come to an agreement in Terri Schiavo's favor....that he will go in by force and take her and give her food and water.

Cross posted at Hyscience

Posted by richard at March 23, 2005 1:51 PM


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Bravo to Mr. Bush if he can truly do this!! She just has to be saved!!!1 THis case has affected my outlook on my homeland more than any other issue. Terri, I am praying for you!!!!

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:01 PM

There is a startling silence from the feminists regarding the life of Terri Schiavo hanging in the balance on the testimony of her husband.

Also, the question of "who may sacrifice what" also brings about other interesting "life" issues in this case.

Posted by: Bill O'reilly is wrong at March 23, 2005 2:04 PM

is this confirmed? where is this coming from?

Posted by: Jayson Franklin at March 23, 2005 2:06 PM

IGNU, you're a troll and should go play elsewhere...

Posted by: Sirena at March 23, 2005 2:08 PM

Is this news about Governor Bush true and accurate? I don't want to get our hopes up if it's a false rumor. Can someone confirm this?

Terri, hang on Honey!!!

Posted by: Sirena at March 23, 2005 2:09 PM

I agree, where are the feminists ;) Between the feminists silence and the judges haughty indifference, they might as well have let Scott Petersen decide where to bury his wife and kid while they are at it.

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:10 PM

Will it be to late for Terri? How long can she go without food or water? Why is the Gov. taking so long?

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:13 PM

What has happened to the blogroll please??

Posted by: Sharon Ferguson at March 23, 2005 2:13 PM

Doctors have said Terri can live anywhere from 8-18 days in her condition. Since she's not active and lies in bed, it can take longer than an active person dying from thirst and starvation.

Can we please confirm this new on Governor Bush?

Posted by: Sirena at March 23, 2005 2:15 PM

IGNU, you are just here to cause problems. That's an entirely different issue that is not appropriate on this blog. We are here to help Terri right now.

Posted by: Sirena at March 23, 2005 2:17 PM

sirena, I only found about 15 or 20 senators on the site. Is that all? Thanks.

Posted by: sujata at March 23, 2005 2:18 PM

Ignu, (short for ignoramous I am sure) I agree with Sirena, you are a troll. Save the bleeding heart for your other blog sites, this one is pro life. You people always try to fog an issue with useless argument. and..Terri is not brain dead, you oaf! And she certainly has more heart than you seem to.
Hang in there Terri!

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:18 PM

Ignu, Of course there are other issues that need to be addressed. The two you mention, I believe, are also worthey causes.

But, working for Terry doesn't mean I can't ALSO work on these issues as well.
*************************

To all:

It's 1:16 here in Wisconsin, so that means it's 2:16 in Florida. Are they at the meeting right now? I just sent an email to the ten legislators on the list. I hope it's not too late.

Should I call, also?

I also believe Jeb should take custody of her no matter what the legislators do.

God bless her. She's my hero.

Keep praying for her, and for the US of A.

Posted by: Diana Goodavage at March 23, 2005 2:19 PM

Ignu:

How narrowminded to assume no one cares about them.

Posted by: Resume Feeding! at March 23, 2005 2:19 PM

Jeb's people are answering his phone as of right now:
(850) 488-4441.
Call! I just did.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:20 PM

It would not take too much for them to go in and get her. It is only a little hospice buikding. Nonetheless, I hope he gets the "permission" he needs. God Bless Terri.

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:22 PM

STFU ignu, there is only one issue here - Terri Schiavo, so stop trying to incite something that has absolutely nothing to do with this issue, and stop trying to somehow turn this into a race issue which is completely irrelevant. This onlt serves to show you for what you are - bottom-feeding troll scum.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 2:23 PM

Diana, I think they are meeting right now, but that's no reason to let up on the calls, faxes, and e-mail. I assume that their staffers are keeping track. Even if the Senate caves, they need to know that we will not let up.

Ignore trolls -- time's too short! -- but answer honest questions. Just my humble opinion.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:23 PM

Well said, Diana... I was also going to say that trying to make a difference in one area doesn't mean you ignore others.

Posted by: Amy at March 23, 2005 2:24 PM

oops, I mean "worthy" not "worthey".

Yes, I've been wondering where the feminists are on this one, too.

Don't they feel a little silly, championing an abusive, controlling husband against his helpless, disabled wife?

God bless. Pray for Terry.

Posted by: Diana Goodavage at March 23, 2005 2:24 PM

Has Mr Schiavo ever taken a lydetector test if his wife's condition is a failed attempt to kill her by him
It seems this man who abandoned her years ago does not feel safe untill Terry is dead
How can he have the last say after abanding her years ago How can he be called her husband
Can she divorce him ?

Posted by: Bart Feringa at March 23, 2005 2:26 PM

I called the number provided by Mary in LA and got the Governor's office on the line. Right now they are not saying what they will do specifically. No permission has been given yet. Maybe they need some help from our "Governator" in California. =)

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:27 PM

Thanks, Mary and Amy.

Yes, okay, I'll call Jeb's office. I'll try anyway, because I'm in the middle of a crisis here, regarding a relative who has a Dx of schizophrenia. She has been sort of deteriorating lately, and things can get very hectic and weird.

We do have Adoration today, thank God.

God bless. Pray without ceasing.

Posted by: Diana Goodavage at March 23, 2005 2:28 PM

I'd loooove to see MS take a lie-detector test! However, they're not 100% accurate. They don't so much measure how truthful you are as how nervous you are. Thus, a really nervous person telling the complete truth may fail the test, while someone who believes his own B.S. completely may pass.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:29 PM

I have been physically sick over this whole ordeal. I have joined anyone that has been fasting as long as Terri doesnt get food or water.
I have been without food for 3 and a half days now and im feeling the fatigue. So if this is true about governor Bush then he needs to react. ASAP

Posted by: LISA IN NC at March 23, 2005 2:31 PM

Give it up Ignu, no one here is really listening to your garbage, or cares. Terri is the issue, and her purpose on earth may be to be cared for and loved by her family for a time yet. You can call it God's will, buit she is really being submitted to he lousy husband's will, which has evil selfish intent.

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:32 PM

Ignu, that (Iraq) is another issue which many here care about also, and that has been pointed out to you already, but -this- site is about one thing and one thing only - Terri Schiavo, so stick to the subject. Regarding your link - that too has been addressed many many times on this site, so pls stop trolling and trying to stir up crap.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 2:34 PM

May God have mercy on Ignu. We can not clearly define her Dx without the proper medical testing (as a former nurse in neurology I can attest that she has NOT had the tests needed). I would hope that if you find yourself in Terri's predicament that someone would show you more mercy than you have shown her.

Has anyone been able to verify Gov Bush's statement? I have been trying to call but the line is swamped.

Keep up the prayers and petitions!!

Posted by: Pam T at March 23, 2005 2:35 PM

I am going to preview from now on: My last one should have said:
Give it up Ignu, no one here is really listening to your garbage, or cares. Terri is the issue, and her purpose on earth may be to be cared for and loved by her family for a time yet. You can call it God's will, but she is really being submitted to the lousy husband's will, which has evil selfish intent.

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:36 PM

Come on Jeb! You can do it! I wish I was a fly on the wall in there, how long has the meeting been going on for?

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:37 PM

Lisa, that is very brave of you, but I don't want you to get sick, Hun. Just be careful. Maybe you should eat and drink, so that you'll have more energy to help save Terry.

It's your decision, of course. Just be careful.

I did call Jeb's office. I just said a few sentences. They sounded pretty busy, and cut me off-----politely-----saying, "Thanks, dear. I'll share it with him" or something.

It took me three times to get through, so I think they're just busy. Calls for Terry, I hope.

Posted by: Diana Goodavage at March 23, 2005 2:38 PM

All right, Ignu, if you can turn the hostility down a notch, I'll talk to you.

The scan showing that Terri's brain is "liquid" (physically impossible, BTW) is a CAT scan. CAT scans work by X-rays and don't show soft tissue well. A follow-up MRI is needed to accurately show the state of Terri's brain. She is clearly not "brain-dead" based on the fact that she can move and doesn't drool. (Brain-dead people can't swallow their own saliva.)

Being a "good Christian" has nothing to do with it. Many of us are, but some are good Jews, good Baha'is, and good atheists. A very sound legal argument can be made against the deliberate starvation of any U.S. citizen, without recourse to any theology at all.

How do you know we don't care about "LBPs"? Many people who support Terri are pacifists, against killing of any kind. I've been contributing to a charity that sends toys and school supplies to Iraqi kids, as it happens, so you mustn't assume that just because our attention is focused on Terri right now means that we have never done anything else in the past to make the world a better place. What have you done?

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:39 PM

I tried for a day in a half and couldnt do it any longer! But then again the doctors keep saying how at peace she will be but only because she is full of drugs.

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:41 PM

Anyone want to bet that -

[a] Jeb Almighty comes himself to do this.

[b] Which officer of the law has the honor of locking him up.

At least Jeb will have the 3 kids now in custody to talk to!

No one man is above the law.

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 2:44 PM

Oh, never mind. Ignu, you're not worth anyone's time if you seriously think that our military is raping children in Iraq. That's a lie. As another poster said, STFU.

Dear Moderators: Time to ban Ignu!

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:44 PM

One thing I'd like you to explain ignu; you are obviously anti US action in Iraq so you therefore must think that the US government made a wrong decision to go that route. Why then do you suddenly have so much faith that the US government (via the courts) is doing the right thing in killing Terri Schiavo? It makes no sense, you are just contradicting yourself.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 2:46 PM

James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal:

"Supporters of Michael Schiavo's effort to end his wife's life have asked how conservatives, who claim to believe in the sanctity of marriage,
can fail to respect his husbandly authority. The most obvious answer is that a man's authority as a husband does not supersede his wife's rights
as a human being -- a principle we never thought we'd see liberals question."

Absolutely right! No woman gives up her civil rights under the Constitution when she marries. Where are the women's rights groups? Why are they silent?

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:46 PM

why don't you cut this out ?

it's bad enough for all of the living hell that the schindlers are going through it's despicable for your website to be spreading rumours and falsehoods.


honestly you people are no better than the national enquirer and foxnews and the empire journal.


CAN'T YOU LEAVE THIS ALONE ?


THIS IS BAD.

Posted by: lance at March 23, 2005 2:47 PM

Beth in Philly - except maybe Judge Greer, Michael Schiavo, et al. right.

Gov. Bush is fully within his legal rights to go in and get her - so is the President by the way.

Lance - no, we can't, and thank you for the compliment

Posted by: Virginia at March 23, 2005 2:50 PM

honestly lance, whatever...
if you dont like what you are reading then go somewhere else, we dont do trolls here!

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:50 PM

No Lance, we can't leave it alone. We believe in the sanctity of life. If it was you lying in that bed, we would fight just as hard.

The PETA people would be going nuts if this were ANY ANIMAL...we are talking about a human being here who has already suffered more than your petty selfish mind could imagine.

Posted by: Pam T at March 23, 2005 2:50 PM

Lance, read the FAQ. It's the mainstream media spreading the lies.

Bottom line: Terri is alive (for now) and efforts to kill her are attempted murder under the law. This is really a civil rights issue. She and other disabled U.S. citizens deserve equal rights and equal protection under the law. The Constitution says so.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 2:51 PM

any word yet from the florida senate?

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:52 PM

As far as I am concerned, Michael gave up any "rights" to have ANY say in his wife's fate when he moved in with another woman and bred 2 kids with her.
It is clear he has no other interest than to get Terri out of the way. It is disgusting that the courts have favored a man so obviously NOT caring for his wife's best interest. It is also disgusting that they let him and his media minions spout all kinds of lies and criticism about any government official who sees through him and wants to stop his madness and heartlessness, and force the control of Terri's life to be taken from his grasp.

Posted by: MELODY at March 23, 2005 2:54 PM

It is my understanding that Jeb Bush had an investigation into this whole thing. I was also under the impression that DFC was also supposed to be investigating. What came of that if anything?

CNN was reporting that someone, I can't remember who, is trying to have some court records un-sealed that have something to do with some kind of past abuse?

Posted by: imdll at March 23, 2005 2:55 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151264,00.html

Here's the Fox News article relating to the FL legislature. HOnestly though, the FL Supreme Court will have no choice bu to strike it down if such law were able to be passed.

Posted by: Sarah at March 23, 2005 2:55 PM

I never thought I'd have Jeb Bush on speed dial, but there you go - and I got through to a real person! Way too perky for my taste, but I told her that if there is anything he can do, to please step in immediately. She said, 'We'll let him know.'

Posted by: Mo at March 23, 2005 2:57 PM

Virginia -

I respectfully disagree. While we might not like the outcome, they have used the legal process and ruled within their jurisdiction. MS never talked about going in and yanking the tube out.

When this is all over, I hope everyone looks at the process and comes to the conclusion that it works. If you don't believe it does, go live in another country where King George or Prince Jeb could barge into a private facility, go against the laws of the country and impose HIS own beliefs.

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 2:58 PM

I just dont understand why they wont put in her feeding tube while they are reviewing all of this information. This information has been out there why has it taken them so long! Michael should have disqualified as Terri's guardian when he started a adulterous affair and produced 2 children. Isnt adultery a misdemeanor in florida?

Posted by: adrienne at March 23, 2005 2:59 PM

I would urge you not to give any of your time and energy to these people who are trolling here.

Call the governor ASAP. 850-488-4441

Posted by: Mo at March 23, 2005 3:00 PM

Now you convinced me .
don't get me wrong.

I really believe mike schiavo is a scum and is is directly resposible for his wife's injuries and he up to his neck in a fraudulent insurance scam.


Matter of fact when the truth comes out about this will be the biggest insurance scam and public corruption case there ever was.

Mikey is going to have legal problems.


I see it in the tea leaves.


No.


you got me wrong .


i am not a troll.

HEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lance at March 23, 2005 3:00 PM

I would urge you not to give any of your time and energy to these people who are trolling here.

Call the governor ASAP. 850-488-4441

Posted by: Mo at March 23, 2005 3:00 PM

I would urge you not to give any of your time and energy to these people who are trolling here.

Call the governor ASAP. 850-488-4441

Posted by: Mo at March 23, 2005 3:01 PM

Read up on the facts Beth and then come back. Until then, your view is an apparently uninformed one. The legal process was abused, not used. Greer ignored much of the evidence, Judgements since are only based on what Greer decided based on the evidence he considered, which was one-sided, therefore those judgements are not just (and even so, 1 or the 3 judges disagreed with Greer based even on that biased evidence).

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:02 PM

"Respectfully", nice try, but you can't get a rise out of me. I'm fully aware of what the Constitution gives our elected officials the right to do and arguing with someone battling for the right to kill Terri when so many laws have obviously been broken accomplishes nothing.

When this is "all over" I hope the people fighting to kill Terri will pay a very steep price.

Posted by: Virginia at March 23, 2005 3:03 PM

demonsurfer,

Just because Beth doesn't share your views does not mean she in not informed. It means she has a different view of the situation, which is perfectly acceptable. Can't we all just carry on a civil conversation???

Posted by: Sarah at March 23, 2005 3:04 PM

lance - grow up. How would you feel if I started laughing and making jokes and it was your mother in there being killed?

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:05 PM

Sarah - I guess it's hard to be civil with so much at stake...sorry to offend.

Posted by: Virginia at March 23, 2005 3:06 PM

When you start being uncivil, your message gets lost in the nastiness.

Posted by: Sarah at March 23, 2005 3:07 PM

DCF was trying to get the records unsealed. They are mum when you call though.

I love the 'sanctity of marriage" argument. Let's take a look at those vows, ..."forsaking all others and cleave unto you..." Not getting a really good impression of him forsaking all others. Nancy Reagan would be a good example of proving the sanctity of marriage.

He stopped her rehab when she was showing improvement. "...through better or for worse, in sickness and in health..."

I still have yet to see any good argument regarding the denial of food by mouth ( a felony in Florida, if not the entire US). So let's take a big leap here and ASSUME she did NOT want artificial means of life support.

1.A feeding tube was not always considered an artificial means of life support.

2. She never said, oh don't let me EAT anything.
I believe the quote in the court documents was "no tubes for me." as quoted by her (gag) husband. Not, NO FOOD FOR ME.

I am sick of this being touted as God's will. Man brought sin into this world, and if you can't see it as such, then there's no helping you. She could live a long,loving, happy life with her family. That would seem to be God's will. Man is trying to kill her by judicial homicide. And some are dragging her there.

Check out Proverbs 24:11-12
11 Rescue those who are being dragged to death, and from those tottering to execution withdraw not.12 If you say, "I know not this man!" does not he who tests hearts perceive it? He who guards your life knows it, and he will repay each one according to his deeds.

Posted by: I hope. at March 23, 2005 3:07 PM

Sarah, yes I'll try to keep it civil - bit hard with the trolls swarming, but I fail to see how anyone who was fully informed could not have doubts about this case.. therefore I concluded that Beth may not be fully informed ...seemed logical. I even justified my response, which admittedly was a little harsh given Beths tone, so my apologies for that Beth if I offended you.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:08 PM

With all due respect, Sarah, at this stage of the game, they're not going to get the message, so I suppose we should just ignore them as so many have suggested. I don't give a rat's a** about their opinion anyway, so I won't be responding to them anymore as it's a waste of precious time.

Posted by: Virginia at March 23, 2005 3:11 PM

according to foxnews a couple of minutes ago jeb bush will give a news conferance soon.

Is there anything at the empire journal ?

do you see this hinging on the dcf in florida confiscating sealed financial records how george greer gave mike schaivo and george felos permission to plunder terri's trust fund ?

Exploiting handicapped people is digusting.

Posted by: lance at March 23, 2005 3:12 PM

DO NOT FEED IGNU OR THE OTHER TROLLS. Know that
1) their comments will be/are being deleted for violating the guidelines,
2) they're just trying to get us to waste our energy and time on THEM, instead of on trying to help Terri,
3) they're SUCCEEDING in doing #2 whenever we reply to them at all.

DON'T EVEN TYPE THEIR NAMES AGAIN, folks. IGNORE THEM TOTALLY, NOTIFY MODERATOR, and watch their nastiness disappear. I don't know about this commenting system, but at our blog, we can ban the people who offend, and have done so often enough, sadly.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

PS: The Gov.'s #, Jeb, is busy-busy-busy, thanks to you all, but I'll keep trying!

Posted by: Annie B. at March 23, 2005 3:16 PM

just called Gov office senate is still in meeting
at 3:15

Lets Pray For Terri

Posted by: keeka at March 23, 2005 3:16 PM

Tried to get through to Gov. Bush but line is constantly busy. Please, please and up date, someone, anyone.

What is DFC?

Posted by: MARY at March 23, 2005 3:17 PM

You are indeed correct Demonsurfer - judgements are only based on past evidence - that is why is called an appeal. You call it biased - probably because the ruling is not what you wanted. And because it is not what is wanted by the majority of the people on this forum, the ruling was wrong.

I am not going to sit here and debate a moral issue. I learned, a long time ago in a History class in a CATHOLIC high school, that Congress will never legislate morality. And this is what this is. What bothers me are the people bashing the government, court system, senators, representatives, judges and other officials of our government for using due process and enforcing the law. What bothers me more is that I KNOW that, if these same judges, senators, representatives ruled in Ms. Schiavo's favor, they would be angels from heaven - not the A%%holes that one informed party called them yesterday.

This is an issue that should have never been tried in the public. Talk to your family & friends. Make a living will. Appoint a proxy to enforce it. Two years ago, I stood outside my grandmother's hospital room after she had a stroke and bled into her brain. My aunt lectured me how, at 35 years old, I needed to have all these directives. And I do. Because she knew, as a health care provider, how difficult and conflicted these decision are. My father had died two months prior and I needed to explain to my mother that now, they were not going to insert a feeding tube into my grandmother because there was no hope. It was a devastating time for our whole family - particularly myself, mother, and brother - a second significant loss in two months. And I am glad that my grandmother made her wishes known.

Learn from our mistakes. We know how the system works. It IS WORKING! Prepare yourself so that your family does not go through this ordeal. Russ Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Jeb Bush, Tom Delay, Judge Greer, Barney Frank does not have a right in my family's decision.

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 3:18 PM

Sorry for multiple posts. It kept giving me an error msg. so I though it hadn't gone through.

Posted by: Mo at March 23, 2005 3:20 PM

"Was Bush Right To Sign A New Law Letting Terri Schiavo’s Parents Seek Restoration of Feeding Tube?"

http://www.vote.com/vResults/index.phtml?voteID=60341751&cat=4075633, VOTE.COM, Day 3, 02:18 PM ET:

Total Votes: 5,577

YES: 3,731 (67%)
NO: 1,846 (33%)

1,183 more YES votes than when we first posted the above link here yesterday.

Posted by: Annie B. at March 23, 2005 3:20 PM

Where are the feminists?

Well--when do they fight for what is morally right? There are moral, legal, ethical, and religious issues involved in this case.

Feminists don't have the brain-power or the will to argue such complicated subjects.

And the ACLU? That's a legalized front for Satan to influence the moral values in the USA--Of course they're all about michael's right to starve Terri to death.

Posted by: Tress at March 23, 2005 3:21 PM

the announcement from Jeb Bush. They have had Terri's medical records opened and reviewed by a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic. He says Terri's may have been misdiagnosed and that there is evidence that she is in a minimal state of conciousness. Maybe a break?

Apparently the Adult services people have had significant delays getting the information. Good grief! I can not believe that they are saying that they have been trying to investigate this for 3 weeks.

I could scream! I want this judge Greer arrested! How dare he do what he is doing when he new about this investigation. Have you read the comments he made about the DCF investigation? He said he found it "particularly unsettling" that the DCF "believed that part of its mandate duty was to review orders of this court." Yet he continued with the death order! He has known this whole time that he was fighting the clock!

How can this whole thing be remotely legal?

Posted by: imdll at March 23, 2005 3:22 PM

jeb bush's news conferance is on foxnews right now.

Posted by: lance at March 23, 2005 3:25 PM

Tress, "modern-day" feminists may not fight for what is morally right, and in fact, they don't. They've conveniently forgotten all the founding feminists, the TRUE feminists, who argued quite convincingly in favor of life, all life, born and unborn: http://feministsforlife.org/history/foremoth.htm

Just wanted to make that distinction. I consider the founding feminists MY role models and think they had tremendous brainpower and will, but the current crop has bastardized the term.

Posted by: Annie B. at March 23, 2005 3:25 PM

oh gross! This is going in front of Judge Greer again! DCF has said that they could possible take physical custody of Terri but wouldn't commit to doing so at this time!

I am just sick! I truly hope that they can get this all done before Terri is too far gone. The announcement I heard earlier was that the family felt that she was failing fast. Time is running out. If finally all come out. If all of the truth could come out. Who is going to pay?

Posted by: imdll at March 23, 2005 3:26 PM

Beth, I see your point.
I agree that we should all take responsibility for our own care and write living wills.
I agree that morality cannot be legislated.

However, I believe that the judicial process has been corrupted in this case. The case was decided on insufficient evidence. Our legal system should allow recourse from unjust judging.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 3:26 PM

the 11th circut court denied the appeal!

Posted by: imdll at March 23, 2005 3:27 PM

Thanks Sarah for the support. Just trying to express my opinion - although not everyone sees it that way.

Accept the apology demonsurfer (scared of your name though!)

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 3:27 PM

Nods, there's a heap of things Judge Greer inexplicably did not consider (details are all over this website), and it appears as a result due process was not served, resulting in the current situation. I think that is one of the main issues - that Terri has not been provided due process, and hence one can only conclude the justice system has failed her, and worse yet, condemned her to death, which is unacceptable. What is required is not an appeal but a fresh hearing. Whether that will ever happen...

And yes, the Judges who reviewed Greers work can only go on the information given, so they aren't really to blame directly. Greer and Michael Schiavlo on the other hand... there's just way too many things that don't add up, and do not constitute a conclusion of 'beyond reasonable doubt' - particularly when a life is at stake. As Pres Bush said - it is better to err on the side of life.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:28 PM

Foxnews.com has a survey going on:

"Is Congress stepping on states' rights by intervening in the Schiavo case?"

(This is NOT the important question, you idiots at Fox!)

It's at http://www.foxnews.com/foxfan/registration.html?url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77925,00.html

Result after I voted No, are YES, 43% (4,138 votes) to NO, 53% (5,034 votes) out of total 9,508 votes.

Posted by: Annie B. at March 23, 2005 3:31 PM

here's another
http://www.gopusa.com/activist/pollvault/2005/0321_congress.shtml

Did the US Congress exercise proper constitutional authority by intervening in the case of Terri Schiavo?

Yes -- 60%
No -- 37%
I'm unsure -- 1%

Total Votes: 2977

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:34 PM

Anyone who has not read the document at terrisfight.net about the DCF investigation I would recomend it to you. The comments Judge Greer made in there are quite enlightening! The great thing is that it is a matter of court record. The statements he made to the DCF counsel are disgusting and truly show is colors. Somebody has to be seeing that!

I seriously can't believe that some of this goes back in front of him.

Posted by: imdll at March 23, 2005 3:36 PM

Don't have cable--have mercy here, what's happening?

Posted by: MARY at March 23, 2005 3:38 PM

imdlll,

Where on the site is the information about the DCF investigation - i would be interested in reading it.

Posted by: Sadly Selfish at March 23, 2005 3:43 PM

Court order filed with Greer against Greer's earlier decision.. I think we all know how far that will get.. the stupidity continues.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:47 PM

State Senate considering case atm..

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:48 PM

Adult Protective Services are conducting an investigation of abuse against Terri Schiavo. About farking time.

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:49 PM

O.K., who, why, where, when, how? did this land back on Greer???? Read the latest on blogsforterri about the findings that she isn't a vegie, etc. Anyone know more?

Posted by: MARY at March 23, 2005 3:51 PM

Yeah, I can't believe that Greer gets to decide if his decision was wrong.. hello? Can anyone see how ridiculous and inept the justice system is being?

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 3:54 PM

Demonsurfer -

Can I ask a question? Why are all the videos that are shown/posted of Terri from several years earlier? Why no current? The skeptic in me says if they are not showing current tapes - she is in a much worse way than before.

This is something I have wondered about. I would think the cause would be helped if we had concrete visual information that was current.

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 3:55 PM

Its sad that so many lack any kind of morality.

My question is, "If someone went in and shot Terri, to put her out of her suffering, would they be convicted of murder?"

Its a sick question, but at the same time where do we define murder?

Will they get a clue that what they are doing now is just that...

Praying that FOR ONCE, Justice will come through on time. If animals aren't allowed to starve to death, why would we allow it for humans?

Even leathal injection is more humane.

I pray that either Bushs' steps up and does what God would want them to do...
Save Her!

And this is now where near "God's Will!"
He tells us to protect the innocent and to keep them from harm. I'm wondering what God those are refering to that consider it "God's WIll".

Posted by: Emma at March 23, 2005 3:56 PM

Beth - good question :) I know after 5 days without food or water she would certainly be unresponsive, so anything right now would be an invalid reflection of her real state of mind, but there are affidavits from her nurses on this site I've seen recently also backing up the opinion that Terri has cognitive responses.

I guess by that same arguement, if she has worsened in the last year, it could certainly be directly attributed to Michaels's refusal to allow any rehabilitation or medication..

Posted by: demonsurfer at March 23, 2005 4:03 PM

Beth, the reason is that Michael hasn't allowed any cameras or video near Terri since those videos were taken. The Schindlers were trying to have those videos introduced in court as evidence, but the judge denied it.

Posted by: Mary in LA at March 23, 2005 4:08 PM

Demon & Mary -

Thanks for the response. Just found it puzzling as, in one of the videos being shown, Michael is clearly present in the frame.

My sense is the judge probably would let them in court because of the age of them. And I wonder, given this age of HIPAA and privacy regulations, if you even could show them in court.

Just praying that, whatever the outcome, this is over soon as it seems to have divided the country.

Posted by: Beth in Philly at March 23, 2005 4:22 PM

There are all interesting comments, and here I am in Australia, on tenterhooks as I wait for the next part in this saga. I am horrified that this attempt at judicial homicide has not been stopped in its tracks.

To Beth, when I read your first comments I was a little upset because I thought that you did not understand what is happening here. First of all, please accept my condolences for your recent losses, of your father and grandmother. If your grandmother was considered to be brain dead or the doctor decided that there would be a risk from inserting the feeding tube, then the decision made is the correct one. No one will dispute such decision making in difficult circumstances.

I am also speaking from experience because my father suffered a stroke that deprived him of speech and then he nearly died from aspiration pneumonia. Towards the end of his life he had further difficulty with some infections, and when he had the third turn the doctors said that they could do nothing more for him. He died peacefully surrounded by other members of my family. I could not be there because I live interstate. When my grandmother died she had a series of heart attacks. She was placed on life support but the realistic decision was to pull the plug. She was almost 99 at the time and dementia had set in. When my aunt suffered a severe stroke that killed her, my grandmother could not get an ambulance to take her to hospital. My parents had to rush her to hospital, and she "died" on the way. At the hospital she was revived but the reality or rather the prognosis was that she was brain dead. Sadly for my mother this event happened on her birthday (trust my aunt to ruin it for her).

It is different with Terri. She is not brain dead but she has a brain injury and an injury to her neck that has not to this date been explained or investigated. Her husband is attempting to kill her by judicial homicide. It is all too convenient that he did not remember the statement that Terri would not want to live hooked up to a feeding tube until after he had received compensation money.

There is something very wrong and corrupt in this case. I have been writing on the case and on some of the issues that have arisen. I am sympathetic to all families who have to make that final and inevitable decision when a loved one is dying. However, Terri is not dying and she is not brain dead.

I applaud you for making out a living will. Might I suggest that when you review your living will that you specify that if you are not brain dead that you are not to be left without food and water, and that death must be of natural causes, not by judicial homicide.

Posted by: Maggie at March 23, 2005 4:23 PM