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March 28, 2005

Call to Action Now: If Terri dies, "Demand Autopsy" to discover not only the immediate cause of death, but the proximate cause of death. (Updated with Sample Letter)

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This post was originally posted at Hyscience and BlogsforTerri on March 18, with the intent of laying the groundwork for what I continue to believe would be a cover-up for the murder of Terri Schiavo by her husband by abuse, juxtaposed with judicial fiat. The suggestion came from a physician reader, and it's time to let flood the medical examiner's office with the message. as he suggested.

The re-post of the message:

One need not wait for a future reporter to dig up the evidence. In fact, when she dies, the crime will be covered up by cremation without autopsy unless we act immediately to assure this is not the case.

Michael's "common-law wife" is his co-conspirator in the coverup (and may have been an accomplice in Terri's murder. Bigamy is certainly a lesser crime, but just as immoral.

Michael Schiavo intends to cremate Terri immediately upon her death. Please see the document here. The Medical Examiner must approve all such requests.

If Terri is killed by Michael and "Judge" [and Jury] Greer, then everyone must contact the Medical Examiner and demand an autopsy to discover not only the immediate cause of death, but the proximate cause of death. It is his ethical, legal, and moral responsibilty to certify that a crime did not occur.

Even Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden publicly stated that he believes that her original injuries were consitent with strangulation.

The Medical Examiner MUST perform an investigative autopsy prior to signing off on the cause(s) of death. He MAY use consultants should he wish.

The Medical Examiner can (and should) be subject to adverse license action by the Medical Board should he fail to exercise appropriate judgement in accordance with the state medical practice act. Allowing cremation without investigation and postmortem examination is not only malpractice, but it is illegal.

If Terri dies from this recent tube removal, we must all contact him immediately and demand justice for Terri. If a crime was committed, then several people need to go to jail including those who conspired to kill her (and cover it up)... Michael Schiavo, his live-in girlfriend, "Judge" Greer, the hospice staff, the physicians and those politicians and judges who failed to act on her behalf.

Contact information:
Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D., District Chief Medical Examiner
10900 Ulmerton Rd., Largo FL 33778
Telephone #. (727) 582-6800
Fax # (727) 582-6820

I hope we never have to use this information, but please keep it available in case the evil forces win.


Dear ____________:
When Terri Schiavo dies, the potential exists that a crime will be covered up by her planned cremation without autopsy. That potential crime is NOT the issue at the center of the present controversy, but the yet unsubstantiated allegation that an assault led to her condition in the first place.

It has been reported in the press that Michael Schiavo intends to cremate Terri Schiavo immediately upon her death.

According to the Medical Examiner's department policy posted at: http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/policy/policystatement.htm#CA , the medical examiner must approve or deny all such requests.

The attending physician in Terri Schiavo's case has a history of 5 NPDB reported malpractice cases. There is an open quesiton of what led to her original "event".

Please disallow the cremation until the medical examiner's office can perform an appropriate investigation and/or postmortem examination to determine both the immediate cause of death AND the proximate cause of death, including the search for any injuries from the past consistent with a potential crime.

Despite the currently accepted rationale for her initial "event", evidence on postmortem examination may reveal that Terri Schiavo was the victim of a crime many years ago.

Judge Greer has not allowed an MRI or PET Scan. PET scans are of no value post mortem, but MRI may have some limited benefit, in addition to the physical autopsy, particularly for small, old injuries to ligaments and muscles that would be consistent with a trauma that occurred due to a crime (e.g. strangulation or abuse) if one had occurred.

If there are perpetrators of a crime covering something up, they will not want such an examination done. They will be afraid of justice.

Please act now to assure no authorization is given for cremation without a proper investigation and autopsy to address these issues.



Posted by richard at March 28, 2005 7:48 AM

Articles Related to Action Items:


I am concerened that even this request may be unsuccessful because if you read the statement, it says:

A patient dying in a Hospice is considered an attended death and an autopsy should be performed if any of these reasons are present :
1. of criminal violence,

2. by accident,

3. by suicide,

4. suddenly, when in apparent good health,

5. unattended by a practicing physician,

6. in any prison or penal institution,

7. in police custody,

8. in any suspicious or unusual circumstance,

9. by criminal abortion,

10. by poison,

11. by disease constituting a threat to public heath, or

12. by disease, injury or toxic agent resulting from employment.

For what it's worth I sent an email to the medical examiner

Posted by: why? at March 28, 2005 9:35 AM


Do you realize how stupid you look?. You clearly have not bothered to read any of the subpeonas, articles or various other documents related this case.

Go to:


Bullemia?. LOL


Posted by: Julie at March 28, 2005 9:58 AM

How about the possible insurance fraud if Terri dies. Doesn't Mike and Jody setting up a company in their own home with a misspelling of "insurance" seem fishy? Spelling insurance wrong, maybe to avoid investigation? Has this been checked out?


With no autopsy, they will be able to collect from any policies they have for Terri.

Posted by: LErin at March 28, 2005 9:58 AM

Frank, how do you know this? The people posting on this web site are here because they belive Terri was wronged and she would want to live and could communicate. Take a look at the dicharge summary http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Humana%20Discharge%20Summary%20050990.pdf

from her original admission and tell me where you are getting your facts from....A little independent investigation on your part would be apprectiated

Posted by: why? at March 28, 2005 10:01 AM

I've read a lot of opinions about what caused Terri to collapsed 15 years ago and Michael Schiavo has stated that her eating disorder caused a potassium imbalance and her heart stopped. I don't know about all of you, but I do think that going on for 10 days without food and water is kind of a major eating disorder and, quite surprising, Terri's heart has not missed a beat... kind of strange at least.. What if Terri's collapse was caused by another reason ? An autopsy is mandatory and if all I've read about the bone scan and other testimony is true, it might prove (the autopsy) to be a shocker for everyone... May Terri rest in peace when she leaves this world, she's an angel in this evil world...

Posted by: WhatIf? at March 28, 2005 10:03 AM


I don't like your god and I'll bet God doesn't like your god, either. Look at it this way, He has patiently put up with you for how long now. Why wouldn't He have as much mercy on Terri? Or do you suppose that Jesus' passion and death were God's punishment for His (Jesus')sins?

I'm going to speak to DaveMN about the insurance fraud angle. It will probably have a special place in his documentary, along with the medicare, hospice fraud.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 10:08 AM

Did your God teach you to lie and give false witness too?

There is no proof and no prior (prior to her collapse) evidence of Terri being bulimic!!

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 10:10 AM

God Bless??? Did you ask for God's Blessings for Terri??

Do you call what you have provided documentation?????

Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 10:24 AM


where is the malpractice document....?These are article stating unqualified opinion...("resumably caused by her eating disorder"). Just because a reported writed something doesent make that true. You threw out 4 article to us that showed no evidence or court documents. Although bulemia is a serious and imprtant topic. Throwing around artices does not make you point stronger.

Posted by: why? at March 28, 2005 10:34 AM


Why do you address your message to me ? I'm not in the God business and I will not use anyone's name (including God's) to explain or understand what happened and is happening at this moment. I truly believe that man is always responsible for his own actions and if someone has hurt Terri in the past, this person deserves to be made accountable for those actions. That's why I strongly support an autopsy and God has nothing to do with this, but the judicial system does...

Posted by: WhatIf? at March 28, 2005 10:34 AM

excuse my horrible typing,,I sent my original message instead of the one I spell checked :)

Posted by: why? at March 28, 2005 10:37 AM

Frank,Do you see any instance in the Bible where anyone has prayed that someone should die??

Anyhow...leaving that aside...

Frank, are you blind to these documented lies of michael schiavo?


Posted by: sujata at March 28, 2005 10:42 AM

W. SHARP, Judge, concurring specially; wrote:

"There is little I can add to Chief Judge Peterson's excellent
opinion in this case. I write only to say we should never cease
to be shocked by Man's inhumanity to Man, no matter the
circumstances. And, a remedy must always be afforded."

District Court of Appeal of Florida, Fifth District.
September 29, 1995.

No. 94-376.

BEVERLY ENTERPRISES-FLA. v. SPILMAN, 661 So.2d 867 (Fla.App. 5 Dist. 1995)

Sent to: Gov. Bush -
Judge Greer has issued an ILLEGAL order (Denying food & water by mouth 'naturally') which violates our Florida Constitution and our Florida Statutes. You have the Supreme Executive Power (of FL) vested in YOU. You are obligated by your Oath of Office to uphold the laws, and as a third but equal branch of power you must intervene to protect the life and liberty of Terri Schiavo - this is NOT about a feeding tube being removed, this is about a Judge being a principle in an act of attempted homicide by withholding, and directing others to withhold, BASIC food and water from a disabled American.
Any literate person can read the Florida Statutes & Constitution. This action under "color of law" violates the law, and by not acting you are an accessory to this. By placing Terri Schiavo in protective custody, supplying an IV line as "basic medical care" to return her to her previous position of wellbeing (as of 03/18/05), and then allowing her access to oral nutrition and hydration is NOT in violation of Greer's trial court decision to withdraw the feeding tube.

SECTION 1. Governor.--
(a) The supreme executive power shall be vested in a governor, who shall be commander-in-chief of all military forces of the state not in active service of the United States. The governor shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed ...
(b) The governor may initiate judicial proceedings in the name of the state against any executive or administrative state, county or municipal officer to enforce compliance with any duty or restrain any unauthorized act.
(d) The governor shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws of the state, suppress insurrection, or repel invasion.

Maybe all politicians and long-time attorneys had ought to go back to Political Science and American Government refresher classes.

Posted by: Raquel at March 28, 2005 10:55 AM

I have a question to ask.
If Terri is in a vegatative state (which I don't believe she is) then why does she feel pain??
Obviously, something there doesn't add up.
They are now giving her a morphine drip.
Did she show signs of pain?
How did they come to decide that her being starved was painful when all along they have said that it was painless? It must be hurting her.
They are now contradicting themselves.
Why can't that be pointed out and used in an effort to save her?

Posted by: MotherNnc at March 28, 2005 10:58 AM

It may take a writer like Ann Rule or somebody of that type to dig into all of the information about the Schiavo case, assuming anybody wants to tackle it.

I mostly blame the mainstream media for not digging into the matter (the NYT did have an evenhanded piece this weekend about the family rift) and trying to paint this as a political issue on the side of the religious right, a gross distortion, in my opinion.

It's no wonder so many people have had the opposite reaction.

However, the fact Michael Schiavo's behavior is so suspicious, a reputable writer with no political axe to grind and writing for a reputable publication needs to investigate the whole thing.

At the very least Michael Schiavo has had lousy legal advice in terms of his actions which are nothing short of vindictive and cruel to her parents, at worst they are sinister.

Posted by: Susan Nunes at March 28, 2005 11:28 AM

Jeb Bush refuses to act - does he not see the consequence of this inaction. Not only is it WRONG, but I think his inaction is due to political pressure and fears. And the funny thing about that is he has now lost either way.

He began with attempted actions to stop this. He did not fight the illegal order of Greer nor did he step up to his responsibility of Govenor. So... he receives neither the support of those who are fighting so hard for Terri - or the support of those who think Terri should die.

He's left himself in limbo and I believe, a sure end to his political career. He thinks standing in the middle of the road is going to help him. It is surely only going to hurt him on both sides.

How about letting the Govenor know this.

Any man who bows to political pressure should not be a leader of a state and potential future leader of our country. We need men and women who stand on their principles, regardless of what that brings.

The same could be said of our president and those in congress who tried to save Terri's life. If you start the good fight, you continue it.. you just don't stop when there seems to be overwhelming evidence that each has a right to act.

Posted by: LifeisPrecious at March 28, 2005 12:28 PM

Hey , wait a minute here... Do I see censorship going on on this Web site ? I've read the rules of blogsforterri.com, but I strongly oppose the removal of post already publish. This only bring confusion in the post related to those not there anymore. Please, enforce the rules BEFORE publishing any comments.


Posted by: WhatIf? at March 28, 2005 12:50 PM

Susan Nunes,

Contact Dave at djplst@magnaspeed.net. He's doing a documentary and wants help, but is too busy to get on line very often. He requests e-mails with an outline and any talents or helps we can offer.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 1:25 PM

I have a couple of questions and a couple of comments in regards to the Terri Schiavo case. My first question is if she is not in any iminent pain then why would they have any reason to administer a morphine drip? My comment on this question is it appears to me that she has shown some sort of discomfort or signs of stress in order for them to order a moraphine drip, which in return contradicts there allegations to Terri Schiavo will feel no pain during the dieing process, also it contracdicts the vegatative state they claim she is in. Now my next comment or question would be how come they are saying that the allegations against Michael Schiavo on abuse toward his wife Terri Schiavo did not come until after the pulling of the tube when a foresic investigator stated shortly after her collapse that the collaspe showed signs of being a possiblity of strangulation. Now a judge ordered that the abuse charges could not be used due to they were introduced after the fact, but yet this report of a possible strangulation occurred after her collapse this just does not make sense. I feel that there are more to this story then anyone is telling and am doing a little investigation of my own I worked in a nursing home for almost 10 years and have worked with tube feed patients and it does not mean they are in a vegatative state it just simply means they have forgotten how to swallow but Terri can swallow so I am confused on why she can not be hand fed and in the latest order made by Judge Greer does not state that this can not happen he states for the tube to be removed. Also people need to learn what vegatative state really means it means you are in a coma like situation and can not comprehend what is going on around you because you are in a deep sleep, now Terri is not in this shape therefore how do they come to the conclusion of her being in a vegatative state. This whole situation is riddled with unanswered common questions for a situation such as this

Posted by: fightforlife at March 28, 2005 7:22 PM


I hope you come back and check this section. greer ordered, emphatically ordered, that Terri be given no food or water orally. That's why she is being guarded by all those policemen--lest someone slip her an ice chip. greer has stated that "The law is that she will be dead," or words to that effect.

Everything about this case stinks. Our only hope is our faith in God because He works where there is faith. We can't hope for help from man. And now that MS has ordered an autopsy it would take God Himself to convince me that the ME isn't in on this cover up. We must foil this somehow, and there again our only hope is God.

And if this server tells me I'm not signed in when I am, just one more time, I'm going to put a curse on it. Then Beth will have to get a decent server. Ha!

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 8:44 PM


I hope you come back and check on this section. Greer ordered, emphatically ordered, that Terri be given NO food or drink orally. He has said, "The law is that she shall be dead!" Or words to that effect.

Almost everything stinks in this case and we honestly have no hope but our hope in God. Now that MS has ordered an autopsy, it would take God Himself to convince me that the ME isn't in on this coverup. Must find a way to foil their plans, and again, God is our only hope.

Posted by: mary et. al. at March 28, 2005 8:46 PM

Please note. I have been informed that the "attending" physician may not have been the physician named in previous malpractice suits (information passed from another physician). The copy of the "sample" letter includes this based in reports of other physicians. However, I am unable to confirm this and I have been told it was a consultant physician, and not an attending physician.

It would be only fair to elimnate that line in the sample letter, since there is no intent to hurt the repuation of the "attending" physician based on this data. He / She is likely in a most difficult circumstance already and it justice and fairness should prevail. It is alleged that a consultant to Michael Schiavo has been named in 5 malpractice cases before. Other physicians and folks posting comments have indicated this. I have yet to be able to confirm that data independently. Whether that is true or not, it was only important before the decision was made to do an autopsy (to make sure that the Medical Examiner looked closely at the situation). Apparently the medical examiner is now going to look at the situation. Let's not include the malpractice history of either attending physicians or consultants in letters and posts, since it is really not relevant to bringing justice for Terri. There are several other arguments that can, and should, be brought to bear on those making decisions. I have no reason to distruct the Medical Examiner who has a legal, moral and personal responsbility to do the appropriate studies, and get appropriate consultants. The other physicians who have communicated concerns are free to express their opinions as well, and their analysis as well.
There is no apparent ongoing need for this particular sample letter

Posted by: Robert W. Smith MD at March 29, 2005 8:27 PM